Comair Mins 600/100 Anyone want to take a chance??

[BenderGonzales]

The traveling public accepts the risk

With all due respect to those low-time pilots who take advantage of this "opportunity", to answer the question:

"Comair Mins 600/100 Anyone want to take a chance?"

The ones truly taking a chance are the traveling public. The very sad reality is that this aircraft may potentially have a Captain who fast-tracked from Comair academy to a CRJ and whose only real-world experience has been with Comair -- and he will be assisted by a first officer with very little (if any) real world IFR experience.

Yes, it has been done in the past. That doesn't make it right. There needs to be a step between flight instructing and the airlines that gives the low-time pilot PIC experience in line operations. Only with that skill will he or she learn the ability to say "no" when the Captain makes the decision to do something risky.

An F/O is not simply an apprentice biding time until his eventual upgrade. He is there to provide checks and balances. Without experience to draw upon, only the most blatant disregard for safety may be recognized... and even then, one might wonder whether the pilot would have the guts to put a stop to it.

All that said, I dont blame the young pilots who accept these positions. If I were in their shoes I would have done the same thing.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I have a bunch of retired NWA friends who got hired with 300 TT and 50 Multi. They did alright and so will these kids.

They were probably ex-military with 325 hrs jet time in SE Asia: big difference! Plus they were the most competitive applicants out there and were expected to adapt to the relatively new world of jet transports quickly. That's a far cry from lowering the bar ridiulously low so that warm bodies could be put in seats, considering safety a given.

If the job really is so easy a caveman (or a 500 hr CFI with 100 hrs Seminole time under his belt) can do it, then the dramatic erosion in wages is fully justified. We as an industry have been very lucky that we haven't been tragically forced to discover that it's not.

 

[Joe Schmo]

Anyone who wants to take a chance and interview with comair that meets the 600/100 PM me and I will walk in your resume. Comair is very understaffed and we will be hiring 60 a month or 250 before July. PM me.

Your comfortable with walking in resumes for people you don't even know?

 

[Cloudroller]

Anyone who wants to take a chance and interview with comair that meets the 600/100 PM me and I will walk in your resume. Comair is very understaffed and we will be hiring 60 a month or 250 before July. PM me.

Thats less than Mesa's mins 1000 / 100

 

[doh]

They were probably ex-military with 325 hrs jet time in SE Asia: big difference! Plus they were the most competitive applicants out there and were expected to adapt to the relatively new world of jet transports quickly. That's a far cry from lowering the bar ridiulously low so that warm bodies could be put in seats, considering safety a given.

If the job really is so easy a caveman (or a 500 hr CFI with 100 hrs Seminole time under his belt) can do it, then the dramatic erosion in wages is fully justified. We as an industry have been very lucky that we haven't been tragically forced to discover that it's not.

NO! They were not military pilots. They were hired in the late 60's straight off the farm. They got civilian commercial certificates and 50 hours of multi time and they were in. They were the most competetive apps out there because their was a real pilot shortage back then. Look at the records, that is the way it was.

 

[N813CA]

The lowest Comair has taken is 879 and 200 Multi. They have not hired anyone lower than that. Piedmont and Horizon and Mesaba has hired way lower. Get over it.

 

[gnx99]

NO! They were not military pilots. They were hired in the late 60's straight off the farm. They got civilian commercial certificates and 50 hours of multi time and they were in. They were the most competetive apps out there because their was a real pilot shortage back then. Look at the records, that is the way it was.

Yep, doh is correct. I know a guy who retired from Northwest a couple years ago @ 60. He was 18 when he got hired. Not sure of his flight time, but he obviously had no military time. He would have been hired roughly around 1963 then. According to wikipedia, he would have been flying a DC-8, 707, 720 or 727. FE to start I'm sure, but these things were monsters (size and interface) compared to a new regional jet.

 

[plunger]

The lowest Comair has taken is 879 and 200 Multi. They have not hired anyone lower than that. Piedmont and Horizon and Mesaba has hired way lower. Get over it.

How do you know that?

 

[samballs]

yea im a puke. Trying to get other guys jobs. What a horrible person I am. I will go jump off my balcony. If we were not supposed to work at an airline that screwed it employees then we would all be out of jobs. The haven't screwed us yet and if our MEC has anything to say about it they wont get much. So I am a horrible person for trying to get guys jobs at an airline that will still have a better contract than most regionals even if they impose.(Which they wont) Come on that is why this industry is where it is now. We all need to quit attacking each other and band together for better contracts and yes even try to get other guys a job flying.

Your not rying to get other people jobs, your trying to get 500.00 per person. I hope you do get a couple of people you don't know in, then they
F up and the company looks at you. Why would you encourage people to come here right now or anytime in the future this company is horrible. The mang is is still in the Dino years and the union has become management.

 

[doh]

Your not rying to get other people jobs, your trying to get 500.00 per person. I hope you do get a couple of people you don't know in, then they
F up and the company looks at you. Why would you encourage people to come here right now or anytime in the future this company is horrible. The mang is is still in the Dino years and the union has become management.

See my previous post about the way Comair set upthe system. It's referrals, not recomendations they want. Comair will do the screening... oh wait, this Flight Info we're talking about. Facts can't be allowed to get in your way! Carry on.

 

[chignutsak]

With all due respect to those low-time pilots who take advantage of this "opportunity", to answer the question:

"Comair Mins 600/100 Anyone want to take a chance?"
There needs to be a step between flight instructing and the airlines that gives the low-time pilot PIC experience in line operations.
All that said, I dont blame the young pilots who accept these positions. If I were in their shoes I would have done the same thing.

OK, I'll bite...where is that job? Before you say 135, remember that there aren't THAT many quality 135 jobs out there that would give a young guy the experience you suggest...The regionals still need far more FO's than a 135
'pipeline' could provide, which puts them in the same position of needing to hire what is available out there: low time pilots.

 

[doh]

OK, I'll bite...where is that job? Before you say 135, remember that there aren't THAT many quality 135 jobs out there that would give a young guy the experience you suggest...The regionals still need far more FO's than a 135
'pipeline' could provide, which puts them in the same position of needing to hire what is available out there: low time pilots.

I kinda haveta agree. It seems the regionals are the opening to the pipeline, and the 135 jobs are one step up. At least the decent ones.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Spelling, punctuation, and style aren't your strong suits, are they. I have a bunch of retired NWA friends who got hired with 300 TT and 50 Multi. They did alright and so will these kids. If Comair goes tats up, they will have a "pass" on their resume so the next scumbag operation they go to will know they can pass the ride. If they don't go tats up, then they will be at a scumbag operator that is no worse than the other scumbag operators out there. You still need to lighten up... Shirley, if you think about it, you will see that I am right!

spelling and punktuashun are difficult when I am punching my keyboard in a rage..... LOL
I cant get arrested anymore for hurting people and life just isnt the same

 

[samballs]

See my previous post about the way Comair set upthe system. It's referrals, not recomendations they want. Comair will do the screening... oh wait, this Flight Info we're talking about. Facts can't be allowed to get in your way! Carry on.

Have you seen the form that is emailed to you, it ask for you to describe the persons flying skills and how you know them as a person. Get your facts straight ahole.

 

[BenderGonzales]

There are a whole heck of a lot of freight operators out there flying 135 nonsched. FlightExpress, RamAir, AirNow, Ameriflight, Airnet, etc...

They fly cancelled checks, laboratory materials (blood, urine etc.), feeders for operators like Abex... you name it.

Of course those companies will require 135 PIC minimums of 1200 hours. Waiting that long requires patience and integrity -- something in short supply with this generation of aviators.

But, like I said, had someone asked me at 500 hours if I wanted to fly an RJ my answer would have been a resounding yes. So I dont blame the pilots. I blame the system.

I believe that an ATP should be a minimum requirement for part 121. That would keep the minimums at a respectable, if still somewhat low, experience requirement. (So I blame the FAA I guess)