Comair Mec Endorses Pay Cuts

[SBD]

Why ratify it? Wait until DL comes out of bankruptcy... And then fight. At least they will have to option of walking. They are going to impose this anyhow, why should the pilots bless it?

Thank you jungle man!

 

[737 Pylt]

John - I love your avatar - but how can you afford "here" on a regional pilot's pay? Wife must have a great job.

PS. If the pilots approve the TA Prater will sign it. With bankruptcy and an injunction he really has no choice. The pilots have only two choices: take it or quit. The latter isn't really an option for a great many.

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." There is however, no reason not to despise DAL management.

Perhaps you should put your bigotry aside for a second, and start to hate cmr management, they're the ones asking for concessions!

How goes the shuffleboard competition?

737

 

[JoeMerchant]

What would you whine about if there was no ALPA?

I don't know, what would you whine about if there was no ASA...... The difference is I can't imagine there would really be much difference at ASA or any other regional if ALPA disappeared tomorrow..... except that we would all get a 1.95% payraise.......

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I don't know, what would you whine about if there was no ASA...... The difference is I can't imagine there would really be much difference at ASA or any other regional if ALPA disappeared tomorrow..... except that we would all get a 1.95% payraise.......

Are you sure about this?

You remind me of those new ESPN commercials where the guy is talking sports out of his ass (ignorance).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs6TDLuKgQ

 

[ASARJMan]

... except that we would all get a 1.95% payraise.......

Go to SKYW Joey. They have no dues. But you have to check out in the jet

 

[JoeMerchant]

Go to SKYW Joey. They have no dues. But you have to check out in the jet

I would if I could transport my seniority and pay - you know, the ability EVERY OTHER PROFESSION has.... but absent that, I will stay right here and bitch about how ALPA continues to fail ALL OF US..... Tell ya what RJMan, if you want to make me look real bad, just have ALPA pull a rabbit out of their hat... just once and prove me wrong..... I would welcome it...............

 

[JoeMerchant]

Are you sure about this?

You remind me of those new ESPN commercials where the guy is talking sports out of his ass (ignorance).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs6TDLuKgQ

Yes I am sure. We would save 1.95% of our pay that now goes to Herndon. ASA and CHQ are now the highest paid 70 seat operators in the Delta system and several mainline groups have undercut us to fly the 70-90 seaters - explain to me again how that 1.95% is going to good use...... Looks like a free for all while Herndon cashes our checks...... Maybe the unions should compete for our business like we are all competing for flying.... wouldn't that be fun to watch.... How low can you go with dues ALPA/Teamsters/etc.......

 

[Speedtape]

I don't know, what would you whine about if there was no ASA...... The difference is I can't imagine there would really be much difference at ASA or any other regional if ALPA disappeared tomorrow..... except that we would all get a 1.95% payraise.......

That is probably the most ignorant statement you have ever made! What about that contract you delivered in 1998 when you served for about 60 days? Whose resources did you use then?

If Alpa disappeared tomorrow, you might get a 1.95% pay raise until sunrise the next day! Then your company would have their way with you and by sundown the second day, you would be down about 19.5%.

 

[Speedtape]

I would if I could transport my seniority and pay - you know, the ability EVERY OTHER PROFESSION has.... but absent that, I will stay right here and bitch about how ALPA continues to fail ALL OF US..... Tell ya what RJMan, if you want to make me look real bad, just have ALPA pull a rabbit out of their hat... just once and prove me wrong..... I would welcome it...............

Excuse me, but do Doctors and lawyers have a seniority list? Did Alpa fail you when the contract was signed in 1998? There's your rabbit! RJMan doesn't have to make you look real bad, that's one thing you do real well!

 

[Speedtape]

Yes I am sure. We would save 1.95% of our pay that now goes to Herndon. ASA and CHQ are now the highest paid 70 seat operators in the Delta system and several mainline groups have undercut us to fly the 70-90 seaters - explain to me again how that 1.95% is going to good use...... Looks like a free for all while Herndon cashes our checks...... Maybe the unions should compete for our business like we are all competing for flying.... wouldn't that be fun to watch.... How low can you go with dues ALPA/Teamsters/etc.......

They love getting your money! Has the summary judgement been issued yet?

 

[centralpilot]

Maybe we should be talking about transportability of seniority??? Do you really expect people to give up $80,000 - $102,000 per year and 15-18 days off a month for "the profession" and other people? Get real - it won't happen if we can't make lateral moves like EVERY OTHER PROFESSION..... If CMR pilots were doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, or any other profession, they could simply leave and go to work for another company. However you won't see many give up what they have to start over at $20,000 and 10 days off.... Sorry but that is reality........

That sounds like a great idea, but why would management hire a pilot who is bringing in seniority when they can just hire warm bodies at $19.02 per hour?

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Yes I am sure. We would save 1.95% of our pay that now goes to Herndon. ASA and CHQ are now the highest paid 70 seat operators in the Delta system and several mainline groups have undercut us to fly the 70-90 seaters - explain to me again how that 1.95% is going to good use...... Looks like a free for all while Herndon cashes our checks...... Maybe the unions should compete for our business like we are all competing for flying.... wouldn't that be fun to watch.... How low can you go with dues ALPA/Teamsters/etc.......

I thought you were referring to the latest company proposal which conveniently does not offer the 700 pilots a payraise. As far as my dues going to good use, the initial company proposal of a 13% paycut for me couldn't be forced upon me with union representation. Besides, I write off my union dues on my taxes every year.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I would if I could transport my seniority and pay - you know, the ability EVERY OTHER PROFESSION has.... but absent that, I will stay right here and bitch about how ALPA continues to fail ALL OF US..... Tell ya what RJMan, if you want to make me look real bad, just have ALPA pull a rabbit out of their hat... just once and prove me wrong..... I would welcome it...............

Yet more whining from the quintessential ANGRY WHITE BOY! Angry that he's at the end of the road at the ripe old age of 37 and lashing out at everyone but the one responsible- himself.

Hey, Joey, did you read my post yet? Maybe you should quit listening to your old lady, get off your butt, and DO SOMETHING TO IMPROVE YOUR MISERABLE LIFE instead of whining on the internet and hiding in the crew lounge all day.

Get a life. Quit blaming ALPA for all of your problems.

 

[Regul8r]

Perhaps you should put your bigotry aside for a second, and start to hate cmr management, they're the ones asking for concessions!
737

You have two parties both asking for paycuts. Mgmt and ALPA. Mgmt signs your paychecks. ALPA takes a piece of your paycheck. ALPA is NOT going to authorize a strike anytime soon at ANY carrier in contract negotiations because their Operating Contingency Funds are low. Some money is better than no money, or as ALPA likes to reword it, LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY. ALPA needs the money right now. Comair should vote their own In-House Union in to replace ALPA.

 

[Occam's Razor]

ALPA is NOT going to authorize a strike anytime soon at ANY carrier in contract negotiations because their Operating Contingency Funds are low. Some money is better than no money, or as ALPA likes to reword it, LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.

Nice try!

ALPA strikes are funded by the MAJOR Contingency Fund...not the OCF. The MCF is now up to $86,441,442.

Comair recently received an allocation from the MCF to conduct Strike Prep and Family Awareness programs. That is in addition to their OCF budgets. The Comair strike in '01 was completely funded by the MCF, except fo the strike benefit checks, which were funded by an assessment of all Active ALPA members.

"ALPA" doesn't authorize a strike! The pilots of the individual airlines authorize a strike. In the case of airlines such as MSA and CMR...the pilots made a decision that was blocked by a judge.

Bash ALPA all you want, but try to get the facts straight...'kay?

 

[Regul8r]

Nice try!

ALPA strikes are funded by the MAJOR Contingency Fund...not the OCF. The MCF is now up to $86,441,442.

Comair recently received an allocation from the MCF to conduct Strike Prep and Family Awareness programs. That is in addition to their OCF budgets. The Comair strike in '01 was completely funded by the MCF, except fo the strike benefit checks, which were funded by an assessment of all Active ALPA members.

"ALPA" doesn't authorize a strike! The pilots of the individual airlines authorize a strike. In the case of airlines such as MSA and CMR...the pilots made a decision that was blocked by a judge.

Bash ALPA all you want, but try to get the facts straight...'kay?

I'd be grasping at straws if I were stuck in your position too. Remind all of us what the MCF goes to, again? You're 100% right, ALPA doesn't authorize the strike, but they're recommending Comair pilots take the paycut. Like I said, you guys should vote your own Union, ALPA has their own agenda.

 

[737 Pylt]

I don't know, what would you whine about if there was no ASA...... The difference is I can't imagine there would really be much difference at ASA or any other regional if ALPA disappeared tomorrow..... except that we would all get a 1.95% payraise.......

How much do you give to Dan Ford and his cronies at the rjdc John?
I bet it's a heck of a lot more than 1.95%!
Find something new to bitch about you spoiled brat!

737

 

[737 Pylt]

I'd be grasping at straws if I were stuck in your position too. Remind all of us what the MCF goes to, again? You're 100% right, ALPA doesn't authorize the strike, but they're recommending Comair pilots take the paycut. Like I said, you guys should vote your own Union, ALPA has their own agenda.

Comair is in BK incase you haven't noticed....What kind of leverage do they have as a BK carrier?

ALPA needs the money right now. Comair should vote their own In-House Union in to replace ALPA.

I agree, I'd love to see cmr out of ALPA, but make sure they stay with that POS lawson as MEC prez., after all, he's screwed over so many people, he's not going anywhere soon, if at all!

737

 

[Nindiri]

Perhaps you should put your bigotry aside for a second, and start to hate cmr management, they're the ones asking for concessions!
737

CMR management, Delta management.......same people

 

[flyipilot]

NO paycuts!! Stick to gether people! They can't run the airline without you and it is time we and our poorly run MEC's stand up to them. No more! Wal-Mart pays better. Why don't the airlines go to the oil companies and demand lower prices?? Becuase the oil companies would laugh and do not care..so, you have to start thinking a bit like they do. Can not fly a plane without fuel and can not fly with out a pilot. The problem is too many "startup" airlines keep lowering the pay and we dumb hungry pilots will always give in. WHy do we even unionize? Why not just let the companies do what they will...we are almost there. You guys are the pros!!! Stay strong!

 

[Nindiri]

Easy for an idiot to say say since it isn't his job on the line.

 

[flyipilot]

I may be an idiot...but, I am a well paid idiot...while you just keep the vasaline handy.

 

[Nindiri]

No vaseline for me, I'm quite happy at AirTran. Just curious, though, how well paid of an idiot were you when Indy went under?

 

[Occam's Razor]

I'd be grasping at straws if I were stuck in your position too.

You are. You're not.

Remind all of us what the MCF goes to, again?

Funds strike activites. It's all there in the Constitution & ByLaws. NWA used it in '98. CMR used it in '01. About 20 different airlines have used it over the the past 15-years to fund strike prep and family awareness activities. CMR using it right now.

But you knew all that. I think your'e trying to be cute.

[Hint: Find another issue. You're in a deep stall on this one]

You're 100% right, ALPA doesn't authorize the strike, but they're recommending Comair pilots take the paycut.

WRONG! Show me Prater's letter to the CMR pilots telling them to take the deal. Show me the endorsement of the TA by anybody in Herndon.

Fact is, the folks that are endorsing ratification of the TA are all CMR pilots, who will work under it's rules if it passes.

That might be difficult for a staunch ALPA-bashing conspiracy theorist to accept...but it's true.

Like I said, you guys should vote your own Union, ALPA has their own agenda.

Thanks for the advice. You'd have a little more cred in your didactic assertions if you had any of your facts straight, but I understand your limitations and motivation...so we're cool.

 

[N2264J]

Originally Posted by Regul8r
You're 100% right, ALPA doesn't authorize the strike, but they're recommending Comair pilots take the paycut.

WRONG! Show me Prater's letter to the CMR pilots telling them to take the deal. Show me the endorsement of the TA by anybody in Herndon...That might be difficult for a staunch ALPA-bashing conspiracy theorist to accept...but it's true.

True, no letter from Prater.

But I do remember a letter from Howard Attarian, Northwest pilot, ALPA's Executive Administrator, mouthpiece for Woerth and a firm believer in the plantation. It was well into the strike and said in effect: take the 2nd settlement offer - it's the best you guys can do - you're feeder pilots after
all - what do you expect?

Comair pilots considered the content of the overnight mailgram then voted down the settlement offer by over 90%. ALPA may have learned something about sending letters to Comair pilots.

 

[flyipilot]

No vaseline for me, I'm quite happy at AirTran. Just curious, though, how well paid of an idiot were you when Indy went under?

Well, at cose I was paid better than a UA FO on the same plane. But now, I am better paid than a 20 yr CA at Air Tran would be. I am sorry you are so angry...but seeing where you are at...I totally understand.

 

[Sckfck]

ALPA's an F-ing joke. See where the 2% gets us.

 

[Regul8r]

But you knew all that. I think your'e trying to be cute.

[Hint: Find another issue. You're in a deep stall on this one]

WRONG! Show me Prater's letter to the CMR pilots telling them to take the deal. Show me the endorsement of the TA by anybody in Herndon.

Fact is, the folks that are endorsing ratification of the TA are all CMR pilots, who will work under it's rules if it passes.

I'm a big man, I can admit that I mixed up the MCF and OCF, which is why I didn't bring up the MCF in the first place. It's the OCF whose funds are dwindling and are funded in part by ALPA dues, which do not go into the MCF.

I'll paint a picture for you from thirty thousand feet. ALPA is funded by the pilots. If a pilot group goes away, ALPA loses money. Simple enough for a "high-brow" fighter jock to understand? Good.

I understand why you're bitter; you've got the golden handcuffs on, probably have a family and all, and you're facing a paycut. That's not an easy thing for anybody to accept. I wish the Comair guys the best, they deserve better. They deserve a Union better than ALPA.

As my grandfather told me, you don't need to see the color of a man's shoelaces to tell he's an a**hole and just because his eyes aren't brown doesn't mean he's not full of sh*t

This is me calling you, Occam, both.

 

[Nindiri]

Well, at cose I was paid better than a UA FO on the same plane. But now, I am better paid than a 20 yr CA at Air Tran would be. I am sorry you are so angry...but seeing where you are at...I totally understand.

Uh huh, I'm sure you are.

:laugh:

 

[PositionandHold]

For all of you complaining about pilots continuously "bending over," just remember that the judges are on management payroll, and so pilots can and will continue to be barred from striking by court order. Complete B.S. and somebody should be hanged for this kind of stuff, but I think the Railway Labor Act is slowly yet blatantly being replaced by Lassez-Faire Capitalist judges.

Now for someone more knowledgeable about this stuff, can judges only bar striking when an airline is in bankruptcy, or can they do it pretty much anytime?