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Like that was a suprise. We knew we were getting the cuts. I'm just mad that what the guys who fought hard for in 2001 is going to be slashed into pieces. No wonder why we are losing 30 guys a month. When your on top everyone wants to bring you down. I sure hope these cuts are not going for us to get these CRJ-900s. I should of been a drug dealer.
 
Maybe we should be talking about transportability of seniority??? Do you really expect people to give up $80,000 - $102,000 per year and 15-18 days off a month for "the profession" and other people? Get real - it won't happen if we can't make lateral moves like EVERY OTHER PROFESSION..... If CMR pilots were doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, or any other profession, they could simply leave and go to work for another company. However you won't see many give up what they have to start over at $20,000 and 10 days off.... Sorry but that is reality........

Comair is being punished because they had the highest costs in the portfolio and they went on an 89 day strike... Delta isn't going to allow that to happen again and they just "trumped" ALPA.... the question is does ALPA realize that they have been "trumped"...... What is ALPA's next move??? Any of you ALPA cheerleaders want to throw us sceptics a bone????
 
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JoeMerchant said:
Maybe we should be talking about transportability of seniority??? Do you really expect people to give up $80,000 - $102,000 per year and 15-18 days off a month for "the profession" and other people? Get real - it won't happen if we can't make lateral moves like EVERY OTHER PROFESSION..... If CMR pilots were doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, or any other profession, they could simply leave and go to work for another company. However you won't see many give up what they have to start over at $20,000 and 10 days off.... Sorry but that is reality........

Comair is being punished because they had the highest costs in the portfolio and they went on an 89 day strike... Delta isn't going to allow that to happen again and they just "trumped" ALPA.... the question is does ALPA realize that they have been "trumped"...... What is ALPA's next move??? Any of you ALPA cheerleaders want to throw us sceptics a bone????
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If pilots keep bending over for these cuts, they are going to be at "$20000 and 10 days off" eventually anyways. For a company that is making $$$ to impose pay cuts is absurd.
 
Comair49%er said:
If pilots keep bending over for these cuts, they are going to be at "$20000 and 10 days off" eventually anyways. For a company that is making $$$ to impose pay cuts is absurd.
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Not at the top..... Even Mesa has pilots making 6 figures while new hires make $20,000. Supply and demand is starting to help us out while ALPA sits on the sidelines and tells us to vote for Democrats so that we can make more.....
 
JoeMerchant said:
the question is does ALPA realize that they have been "trumped"...... What is ALPA's next move??? Any of you ALPA cheerleaders want to throw us sceptics a bone????
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ALPA is doing what they do best...nothing. Sorry CMR pilots have to endure it.
 
CopilotDoug said:
ALPA is doing what they do best...nothing. Sorry CMR pilots have to endure it.
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ALPA is doing what they do best.... taking 1.95% of our pay while convincing us that it is going to a good purpose....
 
JoeMerchant said:
Maybe we should be talking about transportability of seniority??? Do you really expect people to give up $80,000 - $102,000 per year and 15-18 days off a month for "the profession" and other people? Get real - it won't happen if we can't make lateral moves like EVERY OTHER PROFESSION..... If CMR pilots were doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, or any other profession, they could simply leave and go to work for another company.
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Really? Says who?? Wife makes $80,000 a year as a pediatrician, but is finding it very difficult to find a similar paying job in one of three places we are looking at moving to. Look for another excuse.
 
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Maybe we should be talking about transportability of seniority??? Do you really expect people to give up $80,000 - $102,000 per year and 15-18 days off a month for "the profession" and other people? Get real - it won't happen if we can't make lateral moves like EVERY OTHER PROFESSION..... If CMR pilots were doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, or any other profession, they could simply leave and go to work for another company. However you won't see many give up what they have to start over at $20,000 and 10 days off.... Sorry but that is reality........

Comair is being punished because they had the highest costs in the portfolio and they went on an 89 day strike... Delta isn't going to allow that to happen again and they just "trumped" ALPA.... the question is does ALPA realize that they have been "trumped"...... What is ALPA's next move??? Any of you ALPA cheerleaders want to throw us sceptics a bone????
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What would you whine about if there was no ALPA?
 
The smart move is to take the paycut to live another day. In battle you do not die on your sword, you regroup and try again. People have to understand that it is responsibile to protect the membership even if it is going backwards in the short term. Are all the mainline groups who took paycuts and ALPA approval on them wrong, should all those carriers suffered further economic damage or closure?

We need to figure this out it is not about the MEC it is about the economics of the industry, before there was only a handful of operators who carried mainline pax, in regional areas. Now it is National, and competition is fierce. The old days are gone, all you need is a certificate and you are in business in six months.
 
JoeMerchant said:
Maybe we should be talking about transportability of seniority??? Do you really expect people to give up $80,000 - $102,000 per year and 15-18 days off a month for "the profession" and other people? Get real - it won't happen if we can't make lateral moves like EVERY OTHER PROFESSION..... If CMR pilots were doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, or any other profession, they could simply leave and go to work for another company. However you won't see many give up what they have to start over at $20,000 and 10 days off.... Sorry but that is reality........

Comair is being punished because they had the highest costs in the portfolio and they went on an 89 day strike... Delta isn't going to allow that to happen again and they just "trumped" ALPA.... the question is does ALPA realize that they have been "trumped"...... What is ALPA's next move??? Any of you ALPA cheerleaders want to throw us sceptics a bone????
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No, Joey, that's one of the few statements you can make I won't argue with!
 
Does anybody have any details on the TA yet?
 
John Pennekamp said:
Hey, when you got no real information, rumors are good. That's what Flightinfo's all about! What you got?
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I heard an average of 7% pay cut. BK claim paid at 60% your 2006 W-2. I wouldn't call it an overly reliable source.
 
ASADFW7 said:
The smart move is to take the paycut to live another day. In battle you do not die on your sword, you regroup and try again. People have to understand that it is responsibile to protect the membership even if it is going backwards in the short term. Are all the mainline groups who took paycuts and ALPA approval on them wrong, should all those carriers suffered further economic damage or closure?

We need to figure this out it is not about the MEC it is about the economics of the industry, before there was only a handful of operators who carried mainline pax, in regional areas. Now it is National, and competition is fierce. The old days are gone, all you need is a certificate and you are in business in six months.
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That's a good one!:laugh:

Didn't you mean 'indefinitely' ?
 
From what a Comair MGT guy told me today, everything is pretty much what the company was going to impose, but the BK claim/buyout is higher.
There is some formula that is to be used, but it roughly comes to 45% of your 2006 W-2 earnings.
 
ASARJMan said:
Will Capt "take it back" Prater actually sign this?

ASA
Strike 'Em!
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I bet you can answer that one yourself.

And for the record, Prater said "I will not sign any more concessionary agreements for carriers not in bankruptcy".
 
John - I love your avatar - but how can you afford "here" on a regional pilot's pay? Wife must have a great job.

PS. If the pilots approve the TA Prater will sign it. With bankruptcy and an injunction he really has no choice. The pilots have only two choices: take it or quit. The latter isn't really an option for a great many.

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." There is however, no reason not to despise DAL management.
 
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John - I love your avatar - but how can you afford "here" on a regional pilot's pay? Wife must have a great job.

PS. If the pilots approve the TA Prater will sign it. With bankruptcy and an injunction he really has no choice. The pilots have only two choices: take it or quit. The latter isn't really an option for a great many.

"A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." There is however, no reason not to despise DAL management.
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I guess I'm independently wealthy, lol. Actually, I don't live in the keys anymore, but I did a long time ago and worked as a boat bum before I was a pilot. I still have many friends there, and go back a lot.

Back to the topic, it seems we agree that Prater will sign the TA as he has little choice. I have no doubt the Comair pilots will ratify it.
 
Why ratify it? Wait until DL comes out of bankruptcy... And then fight. At least they will have to option of walking. They are going to impose this anyhow, why should the pilots bless it?
 

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