Comair FO Salary?

[darling pretty]

Guys please don't turn this into a flame....

I'm just trying to help a "friend" determine if she should stay in CVG as a C7F or goto JFK as a JRC.

What does a Comair C7F NET a month when on the max payscale?

Thanks everyone!

 

[Caveman]

Either get in or stay in the left seat if possible. Sooner or later this industry will be in a hiring mode again. If 'your friend' doesn't have her 1000PIC she won't be able to move on. If she already has 1000PIC, more is better. There are thousands of CRJ/ERJ CA with way more than minimum PIC time. Any thing she can do to beef up her resume is good. This is one of those times in life when one must endure short term pain for long term gain. I know it isn't PC to say it, but here goes: She's a chick. If her resume is even reasonably competitive she has a decent chance of getting hired at a major when they start hiring again. Yeah, I said it. I'm not complaining about it. It's just the way it is. She should position herself to take advantage of it.

Looking at the pay scales an 8 year C7F will get $3655 for an 85 hour line. An 8 year 50 seat CA will get $4875 for a reserve line if they don't break guarantee. So, about $1200 gross difference per month. That assumes a lot though. First of all, most of the C7F I know aren't getting 85 hour lines right now. Second, I doubt an eight year pilot at CMR could even hold JFnK CA. A 9 year reserve CA will gross a minimum of $5325. In that case the difference is almost $1700 per month.

 

[JECKEL]

Depending on "her" seniority, it will be a significant pay cut.

The real question is quality of life. How does she want to live the next few years?

There are several CVG CAs who are selecting the FO seat in CVG versus the JFK CA and the soon to be established "circus commute" to NY. Many of them might be forced to find a second source of income.

It's all a question of quality of life and where do you draw the line.

Airline Pilot Central has all the pay rates.

 

[CRJ puppy]

And then what happens when they transfer the 700/900 domicile to JFK and then suddenly there are only half as many FO seats in cvg?

A lot to think about.

 

[Caveman]

And then what happens when they transfer the 700/900 domicile to JFK and then suddenly there are only half as many FO seats in cvg?

A lot to think about.

You got that right. There are so many unanswered questions at Comair right now it's nearly impossible to make an educated guess. The main thing is that any bid is made with the assumption you could be stuck with that decision for years.

I have a very close friend in the exact same situation as the OP's 'friend'. He will probably elect to stay as a C7F in CVG rather than be a reserve JFnK CA. He's fortunate in that he can afford to place QOL over money. Don't misunderstand. He doesn't have deep pockets, but he can still pay the bills on C7F wages.

It's a tough call. I think it's clear from my previous post what I would do, but different folks have different priorities.

 

[JECKEL]

And then what happens when they transfer the 700/900 domicile to JFK and then suddenly there are only half as many FO seats in cvg?

A lot to think about.

And what happens if the decide to furlough in fall like they had planned to due in the spring? The increase in flying is only through August and then it goes right back down in September.

Then there are only half as many 50 seat FOs in CVG.

A lot to think about.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Yep. You got that right.

Most junior FO will be at 6+ yrs then.

 

[BLing]

Next time I make a career decision I'll be certain to ask someone else to ask a bunch of strangers for me.

 

[flyboyike]

Guys please don't turn this into a flame....

I'm just trying to help a "friend" determine if she should stay in CVG as a C7F or goto JFK as a JRC.

What does a Comair C7F NET a month when on the max payscale?

Thanks everyone!

If she is who I think she is, tell her to get over herself and come to Kennedy as a Captain. She'll have way more fun.

OTOH, if she's someone else, disregard the above.

 

[Broke in CVG]

I have plenty of PIC (last 6+ years CVG CA) so it came down to QOL and $. After factoring in a crash pad and loss of $ from using the commuter clause the money will be close enough after taxes that QOL most definately wins out.

Crash pad $300
Commute Clause (5hr/m x $71) $355
Not having to commute to JFK - PRICELESS!

BTW: Unless mgt runs a shuttle (which I don't see happening) you can double that commute clause loss.

 

[johnboy99]

I have plenty of PIC (last 6+ years CVG CA) so it came down to QOL and $. After factoring in a crash pad and loss of $ from using the commuter clause the money will be close enough after taxes that QOL most definately wins out.

Crash pad $300
Commute Clause (5hr/m x $71) $355
Not having to commute to JFK - PRICELESS!

BTW: Unless mgt runs a shuttle (which I don't see happening) you can double that commute clause loss.

Not saying commuting doesn't suck but here are the facts.

Crash pad in JFK $175 low end and $250 on the high end. Have yet to see a $300 crash pad in NYC in over two years of being based in JFK.

New York is one of the easier commutes I have done and yes I do come through CVG. Last two weeks I have rode first class on DAL mainline as an off line jumpseater. If times get hard you can two leg to any of the NYC airports from most anywhere in the country. It is not that bad, just plan ahead.

I'm not saying that when the displacement takes place CVG won't be a hard place to commute out of (I hope not as I go through CVG). It will not be like you think where you will be missing 5 plus hours of work a month. Not everybody being displaced lives in CVG.

Sorry for everyone at Comair as I spent a long time there in a past life. Keep you heads up as better times are ahead.

 

[darling pretty]

Does anybody have an exact $ on the net pay?

I've got a rough idea from the payrates but am unsure what the net would be with per diem and after taxes, union dues etc....

 

[samballs]

You asked your question like you got an education from the academy.

Fo on the 70 makes 44.16 at year 8
44.16 x 90(assuming line holder)=3974.4
Capt on 50 makes 70.94 at year 8
70.94 x 75(reserve) = 5320.5

Difference is 1346.1
per diem line holder (roughly)= 465
per diem reserve = 155 - 250

Now if she lives in cvg life may be easier but if not then why stay there. Next she won't be in cvg by winter and by spring 10 no one will. Does she want to stay at OH forever because if she does take a step back to FO, well that is where she will be for a long time. Finally shes a tard if she takes the step back and wants to move on.

 

[samballs]

Also for thoe people that are not from CVG but have found themselves there for the last couple of years, THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO ESCAPE. Just think no more 24/7 whining from the whole city. No more nothing to do. Best yet though you can leave CVG.

 

[DDpaysoff]

I recently downgraded and after doing all the math I am losing 400.00 a month take home going from ca to fo after you include commuting and crashpad expenses. I look at it like this, I'm getting paid the same but I just have to pay 200 for two extra days off a month. I'll take that. Some factors that afffect the numbers:

1. Food seems to be a lot more when you don't know where or when you will eat.
2. I spend about 200 less/mo by not filling up the crashpad with food (and drinks) that I sometimes never get around to eating before it goes bad.
3. I would lose 1-2 days a month of pay using commuter clause. that's 500 on two days.
4. About 300 more per diem as lineholder
5. About 10 extra hours a week in 'commuting time'
6. Q-runner and Q-cab fares.
7. My 86 hour line flying through jfk being cvg based turns into about 92, 94 in the summer.
8. This job isn't worth staying 1 night in that crewroom
9. CVG hotel for training 39 a night, jfk for getting displaced and reporting the next day 120+.

These among others equate to a 400/mo paycut going from ca to fo.

 

[darling pretty]

Guys - thanks for the info......

 

[Hovernut]

Tell her to stay in CVG. That puts me one closer to resuming my 1K PIC quest that was cut short so abruptly!

Oh, can you CVG guys quit calling Howie "Exceptions?"

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Really? A 'friend' has been there for 8 years and can't figure that stuff out for herself? What are you really using the information for?

 

[CRJ puppy]

And if someone here doesn't know after 8 yrs how to figure out their net pay...bizarro.

Nothing changes between FO and Capt wages except the hourly rate...per diem, trip/duty rigs, etc all else is the same.

Now how do you figure out this load manifest?!!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[V-1]

And if someone here doesn't know after 8 yrs how to figure out their net pay...bizarro.

Nothing changes between FO and Capt wages except the hourly rate...per diem, trip/duty rigs, etc all else is the same.

Now how do you figure out this load manifest?!!?!?!?!?!?!

I had the opportunity to be the first response on this thread, and it was going to be something similar.

Then I decided to just roll my eyes and watch from the sidelines.