Comair Flight attendants..

[bailout]

I heard they were prepared to walk.. Wonder what they are going to do?

Comair OK'd to Toss Contract
Provided By: The Associated Press
Last Modified: 7/21/2006 12:07:27 PM

By TERRY KINNEY
Associated Press Writer

CINCINNATI (AP) -- Delta Air Lines Inc. subsidiary Comair can void its contract with its flight attendants and impose concessions that the regional airline says it needs to emerge from bankruptcy, a judge ruled Friday.

Comair "has demonstrated beyond doubt that a material reduction in Comair's flight attendant costs is essential to the company's ability to be successful in the extraordinarily competitive regional airline market of today," wrote Judge Adlai Hardin of U.S. Bankruptcy Court.

He reversed a previous ruling in which he rejected the company's request to throw out its contract with the 970 flight attendants and ordered them to resume negotiations.

The airline made a second request after it and the International Brotherhood of Teamsters were unable to reach an agreement on contract concessions.

Unions representing pilots and mechanics have agreed to concessions, but those deals were contingent on the flight attendants accepting cuts as well.

Comair's initial restructuring plans included $27.2 million in concessions from the flight attendants, pilots and mechanics. The airline has said it has lowered its demands for concessions from the flight attendants by $1 million to $7.9 million.

Delta and Comair, with 6,400 employees and 850 flights daily to 108 cities, are trying to emerge from Chapter 11 bankruptcy. They filed for protection from creditors last year.

(Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

 

[HalinTexas]

God help the carrier that puts its survivability on FA wages.

 

[Groucho]

Just doin the math, that's $7,900,000 / 970 flight attendents.

That works out to $8,144.32 a year, not small change for a regional flight attendent. I realize that the pay scale and longevity skews this number more to the senior people, but it still sucks.

This is from the company that was going to cover the world with RJ's and put my employer, US, out of business. Well, we are still here and it probably not a good idea to base your business plan on the certain demise of the competition, whoever they may be.

HailnTexas is correct... God help the carrier that puts is survivability on FA wages. It means that the business plan stinks.

 

[PA44Jockey]

Meetings have been scheduled for Monday and Tuesday with the IBT. Management says that they are still hopeful that they will reach an agreement with the IBT and that current contracts are still in place.

Pull up a chair.......

 

[bvt1151]

Just doin the math, that's $7,900,000 / 970 flight attendents.

That works out to $8,144.32 a year, not small change for a regional flight attendent. I realize that the pay scale and longevity skews this number more to the senior people, but it still sucks.

That is pay, benefits, and work rule changes. According to Judge Hardin:

"the Company has reduced its original pay and per diem
reduction demand from $6.8 million out of the original $8.9 million proposal to $2.7 million out of the
June 14 $7.9 million."

 

[PA44Jockey]

The company is trying to hide behind their offer to lower the effect of the take home pay per/employee. What they are not openly talking about is how their new proposals are actually work around 10 MIL when you start cutting benefits and changing the FA's work rules.

 

[Groucho]

Thanks for the correction bvt1151, but it still goes to show just how screwed up the business plan is if survival depends on those smaller numbers. Comair RJ's were supposed to inheret the earth and all that weren't they?

This is not to knock Comair pilots, they have been the only stand-up and fight guys in ALPA for the last several years. It's just that the High priced management in Cincinatti and Atlanta have screwed up sooo bad.

It was different here at Airways, everyone knew that the inmates and idiots were incharge of the aslyum. They may still be, time will tell.

 

[bvt1151]

Here's another admission by the judge about exactly who is responsible for the regionals wage reduction:

"Two of the industry leaders in providing low cost lift are Mesa
Airlines and Republic Airways, both with highly competitive labor agreements. Competitive realities now dictate that other regional airline labor contracts are now measured against those two air carriers."

Still think your contracts didn't screw everyone else?

 

[Guitar Guy]

Here's another admission by the judge about exactly who is responsible for the regionals wage reduction:

"Two of the industry leaders in providing low cost lift are Mesa
Airlines and Republic Airways, both with highly competitive labor agreements. Competitive realities now dictate that other regional airline labor contracts are now measured against those two air carriers."

It rather sounds like the judge is encouraging a race to the bottom to line the pockets of management. I hope there's more to it than that.

 

[wanagethi]

Mesa, Republic, and Scabwest strike again

 

[ArcticFlier]

Mesa, Republic, and Scabwest strike again

Who's Scabwest?


AF

 

[sleddriver77]

...and THIS might be the "straw that broke the camel's back." May actually see the sale of ComAir to Republic or Mesa soon.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Who's Scabwest?


AF

That's what some ALPA chest-thumpers like to call pilots who don't have to give 2% of their pay to Herndon for the "privledge" of pretending like they have a say in their pay and work rules. The fact of the matter is, ALPA has more scabs than Skywest. I bet there isn't a single scab at Skywest, yet here at ASA, we have an ALPA committee chairman who is an Eastern scab. CAL had an MEC Chairman that was an Eastern scab. Don't mention that, they don't like it when you start to talk about what the real meaning of the word is. They would rather call non-union people scabs, rather than union members who actually crossed a picket line. The hypocrisy continues....
:beer:

 

[skydiverdriver2]

I don't think people really understand what makes you a scab. If you throw the word around about people who don't deserve it, the word will lose it's meaning.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I don't think people really understand what makes you a scab. If you throw the word around about people who don't deserve it, the word will lose it's meaning.

ALPA doesn't like it if you use the term properly either. They have forgiven some scabs, and you aren't supposed to tell anyone that they crossed a picket line. They tow the party line now, so they are forgiven....

 

[outtahere]

And yet Joe Merchant is an MEC member for ASA, talk about a backstabbing piece of sh!t. Isn't that right John.

 

[JoeMerchant]

And yet Joe Merchant is an MEC member for ASA, talk about a backstabbing piece of sh!t. Isn't that right John.

No, not a member of the MEC. I have never thought much of ALPA. Some of you don't want to hear the truth about ALPA. ALPA is a total failure.

Do you know what the meaning of the word scab is? Are you afraid of using the term properly? Do have anything of substance to add to the debate?

Let me guess, you are one of those who wants to blame the CMR pilots, the SKYW pilots, the CHQ pilots, the Mesa pilots, etc., but you don't want ALPA to get any of the blame....

 

[Pilotbob3]

i'm so glad JetBlue is "union" free......

 

[JoeMerchant]

i'm so glad JetBlue is "union" free......

Interesting that Skywest and Jetblue pilots are some of the happiest, and Mesa, CMR, Mesaba and ASA are some of the unhappiest, yet the ALPA pilots will tell the the Skywest and Jetblue pilots that they need to join ALPA to be happy. Ironic?

 

[regionaltard]

It rather sounds like the judge is encouraging a race to the bottom to line the pockets of management. I hope there's more to it than that.

You sound like a guy who actually believes that the courts are fair and impartial.......

 

[wanagethi]

ALPA is failing to do what a real union is supposed to accomplish, including compensation protection, by allowing alpa airlines to bid against each other for flying, but for all of you jetblue guys who are non union and the lowest paid airbus pilots, how about we all go non union and see how long it takes for everyone's compensation to hit rock bottom

 

[wanagethi]

most unions were invented in mid century to stop workers in each industry from lowballing each other, therefore protecting wages and benefits

 

[CFIT]

most unions were invented in mid century to stop workers in each industry from lowballing each other, therefore protecting wages and benefits

No idiot, they were initially setup to protect the lives and health of workers when industries were very simply dangerous. ALPA represents nothing but the intrests of the majors and then tells regionals how happy they should be.

Buy, beg, or borrow a clue, you truly need it.

 

[ASARJMan]

I have never thought much of ALPA. Some of you don't want to hear the truth about ALPA. ALPA is a total failure.quote]

But ALPA was great when you and your older girlfriend were having a ball (pun intended) on ALPA members dues money huh Joey?

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[wanagethi]

let me guess you are trying to get on at gayjets

 

[wanagethi]

cfit, alpa should be trying to stop the bidding against each other and stop the erosion of our benefits including retirement and health, maybe you should get a clue and stop applying to mesa

 

[ArcticFlier]

That's what some ALPA chest-thumpers like to call pilots who don't have to give 2% of their pay to Herndon for the "privledge" of pretending like they have a say in their pay and work rules. The fact of the matter is, ALPA has more scabs than Skywest. I bet there isn't a single scab at Skywest, yet here at ASA, we have an ALPA committee chairman who is an Eastern scab. CAL had an MEC Chairman that was an Eastern scab. Don't mention that, they don't like it when you start to talk about what the real meaning of the word is. They would rather call non-union people scabs, rather than union members who actually crossed a picket line. The hypocrisy continues....
:beer:

I figured that. Just wanted to hear it from the jack a$$, wanagethi himself. Sounds like he needs a vocabulary lesson.


AF :beer:

 

[atrdriver]

That's what some ALPA chest-thumpers like to call pilots who don't have to give 2% of their pay to Herndon for the "privledge" of pretending like they have a say in their pay and work rules. The fact of the matter is, ALPA has more scabs than Skywest. I bet there isn't a single scab at Skywest, yet here at ASA, we have an ALPA committee chairman who is an Eastern scab. CAL had an MEC Chairman that was an Eastern scab. Don't mention that, they don't like it when you start to talk about what the real meaning of the word is. They would rather call non-union people scabs, rather than union members who actually crossed a picket line. The hypocrisy continues....
:beer:

Enough already Joe. At least that person is doing what he agreed to do when he took on the position of commitee chair. I like you Joe, you know that, and have refrained so far from saying this, but enough is enough. At least he is doing his best to serve the pilots here at ASA.

 

[PCL_128]

The hypocrisy continues....

Hypocrisy, huh? You mean like running for elected office in a union that you are trying to bankrupt and destroy? If you hate ALPA so much, then walk the walk and resign your office.

 

[goodpilotithink]

Interesting that Skywest and Jetblue pilots are some of the happiest, and Mesa, CMR, Mesaba and ASA are some of the unhappiest, yet the ALPA pilots will tell the the Skywest and Jetblue pilots that they need to join ALPA to be happy. Ironic?

It is easy to say this but:


If it were not for the hard work and sacrifices of these Union Brothers and Sisters, Skywest and Jetblue pay and working conditions would be far, far below their current level.
The truth is we do all the work and endure all the sacrifices and the non union groups reap the rewards. If we were ALL non Union, It would be a lot worst for all of us.