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[PCL_128]

So job security is important? Maybe now you will understand why some of us took a pass on the "big leagues".....A good paying job with a good schedule and some security is more important to me.....

I reject your premise that you have any job security. To the contrary, I think you have a small fraction of the job security that those of us at the so-called "big leagues," as you call it, currently have. Nothing is less stable than a contractor.

 

[chperplt]

I reject your premise that you have any job security. To the contrary, I think you have a small fraction of the job security that those of us at the so-called "big leagues," as you call it, currently have. Nothing is less stable than a contractor.

....and you think that you have job security? Frankly, none of us have much job security right now.

Have you looked at your market cap recently?

 

[JoeMerchant]

I reject your premise that you have any job security. To the contrary, I think you have a small fraction of the job security that those of us at the so-called "big leagues," as you call it, currently have. Nothing is less stable than a contractor.

So you have more job security at Air Tran than I have at ASA? You seem to be more worried about getting furloughed than I am....

Using your logic, in addition to Air Tran, there is more job security at United, Spirit, Frontier, ASTAR, and USAirways than at ASA/Skywest.....Is that correct?

 

[Flyer1015]

This is gonna get real rough. Fourloughs/unemployment in the aviation industry will be on the same magnitude as post-9/11 furloughs.

 

[PA44Jockey]

Someone says this about once a month. Briner himself has been saying if we don't get the mesa flying we'll have to furlough, so we didn't get it or its gonna be awhile, "oh no I should run". I'm not worried, but I feel bad for all the people that have come to OH in the last 2 months. By the way no one has mentioned furlough.

You listen to Mr. 2% ? How long have you been with Comair? You will drive yourself insane if you believe everything you hear from that guy.

 

[johnboy99]

Lots of good people at Comair. Spent 8 years there myself. You guys need to hope Mesa goes Tango Uniform soon. If not those planes big D is looking to get rid of are going to come from Comair. It is ashame OH keeps getting jerked around by big D. But hey at least some things never change. You can tell how bad things are getting by how much Briner is sweating. When he starts sweating and stuttering at the same time watch out you are fu&$ed. Good Luck OH dudes.

 

[on autopilot]

This is gonna get real rough. Fourloughs/unemployment in the aviation industry will be on the same magnitude as post-9/11 furloughs.

What are FOURloughs?

 

[Flyguy1226]

Tune into the net conference today, apparently there will be some big news... Not sure if it's good or bad.

 

[Long Time Gone]

What are FOURloughs?

It's that thing right after a threelough. Geez, don't you read or anything??? I thought most of us had an education.

 

[Andy Neill]

What are FOURloughs?

Same as furloughs but four times as bad.

 

[crjdxr]

Tune into the net conference today, apparently there will be some big news... Not sure if it's good or bad.

What net conference? And by whom?

 

[PCL_128]

So you have more job security at Air Tran than I have at ASA?

Yes.

You seem to be more worried about getting furloughed than I am....

I'm not really that worried, personally. There's a small chance that the furloughs could get to me, but it's unlikely. At my seniority, we'd have to cut a lot of flying for furloughs to reach me.

Using your logic, in addition to Air Tran, there is more job security at United, Spirit, Frontier, ASTAR, and USAirways than at ASA/Skywest.....Is that correct?

No, you've picked the carriers with the worst job security, Joe. Why didn't you mention the other majors? Delta, NWA, JetBlue, SWA, etc...? They all have much better job security than any regional could ever hope for. It's simple: you have zero job security when your company isn't really an airline, but only a contractor. You don't work for an airline. You work for a company that is owned by a holding company that contracts with an airline that is owned by yet another holding company. In other words, you're really only a subcontractor. Your "security" can be RFPed into oblivion at the drop of a hat.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Yes.

That's your opinion...I disagree....As long as Delta stays afloat I believe ASA will be flying out of ATL....We will shrink some...but we will continue to feed Delta as long as they are around...Delta is looking better than Air Tran and is starting to put the screws to Air Tran....

I'm not really that worried, personally. There's a small chance that the furloughs could get to me, but it's unlikely. At my seniority, we'd have to cut a lot of flying for furloughs to reach me.

Not talking about furlough....I'm not sure Air Tran is going to survive this....Delta has a much better shot....

No, you've picked the carriers with the worst job security, Joe. Why didn't you mention the other majors? Delta, NWA, JetBlue, SWA, etc...? They all have much better job security than any regional could ever hope for. It's simple: you have zero job security when your company isn't really an airline, but only a contractor. You don't work for an airline. You work for a company that is owned by a holding company that contracts with an airline that is owned by yet another holding company. In other words, you're really only a subcontractor. Your "security" can be RFPed into oblivion at the drop of a hat.

You are equating "job security" with owning one's code and having scope language to go along with that....Air Tran, Midwest, Frontier, Spirit, United, USair, and ASTAR all "own" their code and have scope language to go along with it.....Doesn't mean they have "job security"....I think ASA has more at this time....

Your absolutely correct that our flying can "be RFPed into oblivion"...That is because of ALPA's failure....We have no scope....Therefor we need to remain competitive so as to avoid that situation....

We make money as long as we have the contract....So we need to keep the contract...Making money as a Delta feeder is more secure than being at Air Tran right now IMO....You will disagree....Time will tell......

 

[Flyprdu]

Your absolutely correct that our flying can "be RFPed into oblivion"...That is because of ALPA's failure....We have no scope....Therefor we need to remain competitive so as to avoid that situation...

Translation: Joe Merchant will do his part to maintain lowering the wage scale against you in order to ensure his own safety and security in the little piece of ATR heaven he's sliced out for himself.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Translation: Joe Merchant will do his part to maintain lowering the wage scale against you in order to ensure his own safety and security in the little piece of ATR heaven he's sliced out for himself.

Everyone is trying to ensure their own "safety and security" at this point....At least I am honest about it.....It's fixin to get ugly and I am going to do whatever is necessary to hold onto my seat....

Sorry if the truth destroys your perfect image of this so-called union we belong to.....

 

[CFI2766]

Translation: Joe Merchant will do his part to maintain lowering the wage scale against you in order to ensure his own safety and security in the little piece of ATR heaven he's sliced out for himself.

You are kidding, right?

As if you, or ANYONE else posting here wouldn't do the exact same thing: preserve your own best interests.

Perhaps by even paying to occupy the right seat of an airliner, right?

Without the ability to strike, there is no such thing as unity or an effective union. This is the new reality, Mr Quixote.

Your costs now dictate whether or not you have a job. The only reason there is an entity known as DCI is because RJs and ATRs can do flying for Delta cheaper than Delta can do flying for Delta. Or Airtran, for that matter... Think about that...

 

[Flyprdu]

Your costs now dictate whether or not you have a job. The only reason there is an entity known as DCI is because RJs and ATRs can do flying for Delta cheaper than Delta can do flying for Delta. Or Airtran, for that matter... Think about that...

How small-minded of you. Had the old-timers not sold out their scope and had the new guys, like Merchant, not been so willing to swallow a load of sh*t wages, we all would be flying for mainline.

So there you have it. It's a race to the bottom, and you all are contestants.

 

[Flyprdu]

double post.

 

[CFI2766]

How small-minded of you. Had the old-timers not sold out their scope and had the new guys, like Merchant, not been so willing to swallow a load of sh*t wages, we all would be flying for mainline.

So there you have it. It's a race to the bottom, and you all are contestants.

Your logic is flawed.

The door to the airline pilot profession starts at roughly $22 per hour these days. If I, or Joe, or even yourself, don't take the job, someone else will. Simple fact.

You do understand that, right?

 

[Flyprdu]

Your logic is flawed.

The door to the airline pilot profession starts at roughly $22 per hour these days. If I, or Joe, or even yourself, don't take the job, someone else will. Simple fact.

You do understand that, right?

Preemption to be the biggest loser. If there was any sort of self-respect left in this profession, pilots would refuse the common assumption that all pilots are whores, therefore I should be one too.

What you have there is not a simple fact, but a self-fulfilling prophecy.