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I interviewed Aug 19th or something like that, got the call Thurs. for a Dec. 1st class. I along with two others I know of have passed on that class. They said they will call back for a Dec. 15th class. Great company, nice people, but, with everything going on over there I'm afraid of getting stuck on the bottom of the list. It's amazing how fast things change within this industry.
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I am working now, with 31/2 years seniority. Believe me, this is one hard decision to make. Comair is a great company. After I interviewed DCI asked for concessions, and my company announced a large expansion. I think I am looking at about 3 years to upgrade were I'm at, with 400-500 below me 12 months from now. The Dojets may or may not happen and I cannot make a decision based on rumor. Now if they make some announcement in the next week or so about the Dojets, or any other expansion then my decision will probably change. It's a coin toss.
Thanks for the comment.
Thanks for the comment.
I am to with F-Eagle and on the fence. We both interviewed the same day and are now faced with this decision. If I was on the bottom of our list I would be gone in a heartbeat. Sharon called me on the 8th for a class date on November 17th, but I had to pass since that would not give me an adequate two weeks notice. So she said maybe I would get a call for a Dec. 1st class but after today (the 15th) If she calls I would have to bypass since it will not allow two weeks notice. It is really tough to give up almost 4 years of seniority and a commute that gives me 3 flights a day to CVG vs. about 18 flights a day to DFW. I guess there a lots of issues to look at when making a career decision. Comair is a great company and the pay is great, but I should of interviewed there 4 years ago. (called me on a Friday for an interview and had a class date with Eagle on the following Monday.) Oh well, I guess it is all a roll of the dice.
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I believe that your 6-year upgrade prediction is a little over-optomistic.
Here is another thread in which this was discussed.
Comair Vs. Eagle Thread
Here is the specific thread that I wanted to share with you. I believe that now that future growth at Comair is in question (and downsizing may even be a possibility according to the recent letter from Don Osmondson), this specific post may be relevent to the discussion.
On 09/09/03 Treme said:
"Paco said, "Upgrade time at AE is down the toilet."
"Unless you've read something that I havent read regarding Comair aircraft deliveries for 2004 and beyond I would guess that Comair upgrade times are in the "greater than 7 year" toilet as well.
Now, of course, somebody is going to come back and say "no, upgrades are running 2.5 - 3 years at Comair!"
I think those days are gone.
There are roughly 1800 pilots at Comair at last count.
Lets keep the math simple. roughly 10 pilots per plane -- 5 captains and 5 f/o's.
Lets assume that most Captains are around number 1000 and below.
In order for number 1801 -- the next newhire -- to upgrade you have to assume that one of two things will have to happen:
#1. roughly 800 guys leave Comair or retire, or...
#2. Comair will have to acquire another 160 airplanes.
(example: 160 airplanes = 1600 additional pilots. That would make our guy #1801 out of #3400 -- around 52% down the list)
I realize that the cutoff for Captain upgrade isnt at exactly 50% since some people don't have the time and bypass the upgrade and some people wait until they can hold a line etc... but you get the idea.
The 3 year upgrades that people are enjoying right now were generated by people leaving in the late 90s, and rapid aircraft deliveries (which are about to come to a stop).
I admit my numbers are a bit basic, but it seems to me that somebody hired at Comair today will likely not upgrade for 7 - 10 years unless the company takes delivery of more airplanes.
Make sure you take everything into account before you leave Eagle. Good luck!"
I believe that your 6-year upgrade prediction is a little over-optomistic.
Here is another thread in which this was discussed.
Comair Vs. Eagle Thread
Here is the specific thread that I wanted to share with you. I believe that now that future growth at Comair is in question (and downsizing may even be a possibility according to the recent letter from Don Osmondson), this specific post may be relevent to the discussion.
On 09/09/03 Treme said:
"Paco said, "Upgrade time at AE is down the toilet."
"Unless you've read something that I havent read regarding Comair aircraft deliveries for 2004 and beyond I would guess that Comair upgrade times are in the "greater than 7 year" toilet as well.
Now, of course, somebody is going to come back and say "no, upgrades are running 2.5 - 3 years at Comair!"
I think those days are gone.
There are roughly 1800 pilots at Comair at last count.
Lets keep the math simple. roughly 10 pilots per plane -- 5 captains and 5 f/o's.
Lets assume that most Captains are around number 1000 and below.
In order for number 1801 -- the next newhire -- to upgrade you have to assume that one of two things will have to happen:
#1. roughly 800 guys leave Comair or retire, or...
#2. Comair will have to acquire another 160 airplanes.
(example: 160 airplanes = 1600 additional pilots. That would make our guy #1801 out of #3400 -- around 52% down the list)
I realize that the cutoff for Captain upgrade isnt at exactly 50% since some people don't have the time and bypass the upgrade and some people wait until they can hold a line etc... but you get the idea.
The 3 year upgrades that people are enjoying right now were generated by people leaving in the late 90s, and rapid aircraft deliveries (which are about to come to a stop).
I admit my numbers are a bit basic, but it seems to me that somebody hired at Comair today will likely not upgrade for 7 - 10 years unless the company takes delivery of more airplanes.
Make sure you take everything into account before you leave Eagle. Good luck!"
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FurloughedAgain,
I agree with your theory that it will take a long time to upgrade. As any airline becomes larger it inevitably is going to take longer to upgrade to Captain. That is the one of the MANY crazy reasons EAGLE UPGRADE is so long. They are really huge.
It's going to be a long long long time for newhires at Comair to become captain. Anywhere from 6-10 years is accurate I'd say. Only time will tell. Let's hope Comair grows like gangbusters (not likely) and people leave to other airlines or retire. That will make things better.
I agree with your theory that it will take a long time to upgrade. As any airline becomes larger it inevitably is going to take longer to upgrade to Captain. That is the one of the MANY crazy reasons EAGLE UPGRADE is so long. They are really huge.
It's going to be a long long long time for newhires at Comair to become captain. Anywhere from 6-10 years is accurate I'd say. Only time will tell. Let's hope Comair grows like gangbusters (not likely) and people leave to other airlines or retire. That will make things better.
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Not to rain on the parade, but Comair will be competing with ASA, CHQ, Skywest and maybe MESA (Leo would like to pay less...) for growth in the future. It is true that Comair could get the D328Jets in the near future, but a lot of pilots would come with them. AE will likely not see the same level of competition for growth.
Good luck with your decision.
Good luck with your decision.
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F-eagle - your name speaks volumes. I worked at Eagle, and trust me, there is no comparison. The longer you wait, the more you hose yourself. Commuting is easy with our commuter clause and preferential bidding. No f'ing D2 charges, first class if available, good health insurance, retirement contributions, the list goes on and on. I think the reserves are only the last 100 or so active guys on the list, so a line will not be far off. 2nd yr FO's make more than 40K.
If all you care about is upgrade and not quality of life, then roll the dice, but I would get as far away from AMR as i could.
The general sentiment here on growth is that it's already decided and that we'll probably get a decent chunk of it (not all, though). Either way, we're not giving up a dime to do what we are already underpaid for.
Anyone who thinks Comair's growth ends with those 8 70 seaters spends too much time in the manic flightinfo world. Oh, and 2 weeks notice?! F^ck that, Eagle gave me 3 days before my furlough. Just let Ike go Tina!
F-eagle - your name speaks volumes. I worked at Eagle, and trust me, there is no comparison. The longer you wait, the more you hose yourself. Commuting is easy with our commuter clause and preferential bidding. No f'ing D2 charges, first class if available, good health insurance, retirement contributions, the list goes on and on. I think the reserves are only the last 100 or so active guys on the list, so a line will not be far off. 2nd yr FO's make more than 40K.
If all you care about is upgrade and not quality of life, then roll the dice, but I would get as far away from AMR as i could.
The general sentiment here on growth is that it's already decided and that we'll probably get a decent chunk of it (not all, though). Either way, we're not giving up a dime to do what we are already underpaid for.
Anyone who thinks Comair's growth ends with those 8 70 seaters spends too much time in the manic flightinfo world. Oh, and 2 weeks notice?! F^ck that, Eagle gave me 3 days before my furlough. Just let Ike go Tina!
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Could someone be so kind as to either post Comair pay and working conditions for the first couple years of employment, or point me in the right direction.
$250/wk during the three months of training, company pays for 1 week at a hotel, then you're on your own.
once on line, you'll make $22.50/hr. the first year. something like $36/hr the second year.
with per diem, you'll get close to $20k
$250/wk during the three months of training, company pays for 1 week at a hotel, then you're on your own.
once on line, you'll make $22.50/hr. the first year. something like $36/hr the second year.
with per diem, you'll get close to $20k
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chperplt,
"@22.50 per hour X 75 hr/mnth=20250 without per diem.. What am I missing if you'll get close to 20K with per diem"
You're missing the fact that at Colgan, take home pay is around $15k after taxes you're 1st yr....no per diem. The later, Comair, after taxes, plus the added per diem, take home is around $20k maybe more. Then 2nd yr, it jumps a good amount. You're also missing a better quality of life.
"@22.50 per hour X 75 hr/mnth=20250 without per diem.. What am I missing if you'll get close to 20K with per diem"
You're missing the fact that at Colgan, take home pay is around $15k after taxes you're 1st yr....no per diem. The later, Comair, after taxes, plus the added per diem, take home is around $20k maybe more. Then 2nd yr, it jumps a good amount. You're also missing a better quality of life.
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>I'm not missing anything... I'm not comparing Colgan to Comair.
>I'm saying that the numbers don't add up to captainv comment >that FOs will bring in near 20K the first year with per diem.. It >should be more than that...
>Understand??
it takes 3 months to go from indoc to reserve, at $250 a week. but at least in your 2nd year you'll make mid 30s...
>I'm saying that the numbers don't add up to captainv comment >that FOs will bring in near 20K the first year with per diem.. It >should be more than that...
>Understand??
it takes 3 months to go from indoc to reserve, at $250 a week. but at least in your 2nd year you'll make mid 30s...
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