Comair / ASA Merger

[N2264J]

Duane Woerth is supposed to be the guest of honor at the October 9th meeting of the Comair MEC. Something is up....

Any guesses?

I have two guesses -

1) Nothing of substance will come of out of it but the suspense of seeing Duane Woerth and his entourage show up at the birthplace of the RJDC ought to be worth the price of admission. This sort of thing is the reason he makes more money than the President of the United States.

2) scopeCMRandASA is feverishly looking for his Comair Ops manual revision that contains the section on operating policy and procedures for Delta Shuttle flights.

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Fins,

I don't think anything will come out of the DW appearance at the CMR MEC meeting. Very little can be said with the pending litigation. He may explain exactly what ALPA's stance is on the independent bargaining afforded to each MEC during negotiations, but I would be surprised if anything comes out of it. After all we have people like this at Comair:


n2264j:

2) scopeCMRandASA is feverishly looking for his Comair Ops manual revision that contains the section on operating policy and procedures for Delta Shuttle flights.

Some people just can't admit that they are wrong, even when they are proven wrong. Plus, he can't just leave it alone so it will die a peaceful death, like Surplus did when I proved him wrong.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[ReportCanoa]

October 9th

You called it...

 

[Freebrd]

Old DW will give a speech in an attempt to convince the CMR pilots to give it up for Old Mother Delta (and DALPA) Good luck. Wish I could be there. DW has some balls though for showing up at CMR's house don't ya think?

 

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Feebird : You might be right, another concern is that he is using the bully pulpit to place political pressure on the RJDC, since the lawsuit is inconveniently forcing ALPA to at least pay lip service to representation of ASA and Comair - plus it is interfering with some of the nastier things the Delta MEC might want to accomplish involving Comair and ASA.

I've been expecting ALPA to roll the big guns any time after the motion to dismiss failed. It is probably no coincidence that the status conference outlining the discovery portion of the litigation was last Friday. ALPA paid almost a million dollars to avoid opening the books in Miller v. ALPA, but RJDC litigation can not be settled with money. ALPA is unwilling to act within the confines of legal representational standards, so their only last option is a political attack.

It truly is a shame ALPA will not change course as we all race for the bottom to secure flying. Obviously the solution for all of us is a brand scope solution, but ALPA will not force the Delta MEC to work with the rest of the so called "family." So we continue on this destructive course.

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[N2264J]

Some people just can't admit that they are wrong, even when they are proven wrong. Plus, he can't just leave it alone so it will die a peaceful death, like Surplus did when I proved him wrong.

--a concerned regional pilot

Well, while you're proving everybody wrong in your concerned and regional way, maybe you can walk me through this.

1) The Delta pilots thought the transfer of Shuttle flying to Comair was so egregious, ALPA sued Delta Air Lines in court to make it stop.

2) In the meantime, the Delta pilots, thinking it was so important, picketed LGA, BOS and DCA to demostrate their displeasure with management for transferring their flying to Comair.

3) After the Judge declared it a minor dispute and threw it out of court, the Delta pilots, hell bent for leather on this crusade, followed up with the grievance.

4) Then the grievance was withdrawn and subsequently the DMEC bargained the flying away?

So what do you think they got for it, better scope?

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Re: Re: Comair / ASA Merger

Well, while you're proving everybody wrong in your concerned and regional way, maybe you can walk me through this.

1) The Delta pilots thought the transfer of Shuttle flying to Comair was so egregious, ALPA sued Delta Air Lines in court to make it stop.

2) In the meantime, the Delta pilots, thinking it was so important, picketed LGA, BOS and DCA to demostrate their displeasure with management for transferring their flying to Comair.

3) After the Judge declared it a minor dispute and threw it out of court, the Delta pilots, hell bent for leather on this crusade, followed up with the grievance.

4) Then the grievance was withdrawn and subsequently the DMEC bargained the flying away?

So what do you think they got for it, better scope?

I find it interesting that you take great delight in the contract violations of others. I followed this closely, when it happened. First, you were and are wrong. The judge declared it an internal dispute. He threw it back to the grievance process. Apparently, the company thought that they would lose, because the ceased and desisted, hence the grievance was withdrawn. You seem to try and take the fact that Comair is flying extra sections on the shuttle now as proof that you were right, when your case was based on old contract language which has subsequently changed. Your hard headedness over this minor issue is a symptom which carries through to other issues, and I mention it as proof that people like you here at Comair are the problem we have with Delta pilots' lack of respect for the entire group. Do I think they got better scope? Who are the ones suing ALPA? How is our scope looking lately? Yes, I think that they have enviable scope, and a VERY enviable contract. I'd swap spots with a furloughee in a heartbeat, and I will also be in that situation someday. Will you, or will you just keep throwing barbs at a brick wall to feed your ego?

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[N2264J]

I find it interesting that you take great delight in the contract violations of others...You seem to try and take the fact that Comair is flying extra sections on the shuttle now as proof that you were right, when your case was based on old contract language which has subsequently changed.

--a concerned regional pilot

Your words.

Maybe I'm not making myself clear. What I don't understand is: if the Delta pilots thought that transfer of flying was so important that they went to court to fight it, picketed the terminals to demostrate their displeasure, filed a grievance to prevent it - why did the Delta MEC bargain it away?

And you think my head is hard?

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Re: Re: Comair / ASA Merger

Your words.

Maybe I'm not making myself clear. What I don't understand is: if the Delta pilots thought that transfer of flying was so important that they went to court to fight it, picketed the terminals to demostrate their displeasure, filed a grievance to prevent it - why did the Delta MEC bargain it away?

And you think my head is hard?

Here is the deal. My beef with you extends with your propensity to not admit you are wrong. This is classic RJDC stuff. Our battle is not why the Delta pilots chose not to protect their flying with regard to the shuttle. They clearly did not. I am not belaboring that point. You are right. I hope that serves yhour ego, you knopw, the same one that was incorrect about the whole ruling with the Delyta pilots' grievance with the shuttle flying under the old contract. It is NOT our original argument. You know it and I know it. Why do you think Surplus has disappeared into the woodwork. Yours is same ego who does not know its place with regard to a merged list, and even more importantly a flow of som etype. This is the only correspondence with which I wish to havewith you. You cannot admit to your ego nor your ignorance. Your is not unique, and yet you profess to assume that the Delta MEC is to blame for our problems. I pity you, S, and others on this board who profess to have more knowledge, couth, and strategy than out Delta bretherin. WE do not, and worse, do not KNOW that we do not.

--a concerned regional pilot

 

[Wacopilot]

DW isn't there for RJDC. RJDC has nothing to do with his showing up on the 9th. There is however a good number of reasons for him being there! We will find out by Friday why he is comming, you ain't seen nuthin yet my friends.

I like Cheese!

 

[PositiveRate]

Yet another meaningless Delta family b^tchfest of a thread with a little infighting for dramatic effect.

The DW appearance could be interesting, though.

 

[ReportCanoa]

you ain't seen nuthin yet my friends.

 

[FLB717]

One quick question? Isnt informational picketing against the no stike clause of the Delta contract? Would that be considered self help. Basicly what is the rule, very curious?

 

[N2264J]

I hope that serves yhour ego, you knopw, the same one that was incorrect about the whole ruling with the Delyta pilots' grievance with the shuttle flying under the old contract. It is NOT our original argument.

Well, I've been able to gleen from our conversation that you or your MEC don't know what a minor dispute is.

Yours is same ego who does not know its place with regard to a merged list, and even more importantly a flow of som etype...I pity you, S, and others on this board who profess to have more knowledge, couth, and strategy than out Delta bretherin. WE do not, and worse, do not KNOW that we do not.

--a concerned regional pilot

Interesting but predictable stuff coming from a Delta furloughee who's trying to pass himself off as a concerned regional pilot in the hopes that it give his myopic rants some credence: Delta pilots good - regional pilots bad, BAD!

 

[scopeCMRandASA]

Re: Re: Comair / ASA Merger

Well, I've been able to gleen from our conversation that you or your MEC don't know what a minor dispute is.


Interesting but predictable stuff coming from a Delta furloughee who's trying to pass himself off as a concerned regional pilot in the hopes that it give his myopic rants some credence: Delta pilots good - regional pilots bad, BAD!

Deflect and divert, deflect and divert. To my Comair and ASA brothers: You heard it here first. The RJDC will lose, the appeal will lose. The countersuit from ALPA will win/be settled. ASA and Comair pilots, RJDC or not, will suffer the lasting reprocussions from people who hold attitudes just like the quoted. There are too many on the property. Unbelievable.

--a concerned regional pilot