COLGANS!!!!! Union????

[redflyer65]

We have more of an idea than you might think. You already know the 1st and 2nd year FO rates are almost the same.

How about a 90 minute reserve call out? We have it.
Per diem? Only 1.40
Provisons for 10 hours of airport reserve? We have it.
Min day is only paid at 3.75
Duty periods consistantly greater than 12. We have it.
Routine reduced rest overnights on your last night. We have it.
4 standups in a row. We have it.

By the way welcome to Pinnacle. Our contract was signed in 1999 under deress and you can see why we are trying to hold the bar. We can't go much lower, and management keeps screaming they don't have any money. Oh wait, they just bought another airline. But they still have over 100 million still in the bank.

 

[funnyman12]

I understand you have an idea. but everything you mentioned would be an improvement for us. So you can imagine that the "it is gonna get worse" notion is laughable for a colgan pilot. Do I think it should be better...heck yes. Despite all Im still happy at Colgan. I would love to be happier. Leta all work together and make us both happier. no rash decisions should be made tho.

 

[redflyer65]

The point I was trying to make is that management thinks these terms from 1999 are way too high. You should see their last and final offer. It was a slap in the face to what we have now. They try to increase the FO rates and then take from other sections and call it "non-concessionary". Talk about kool-aid.

With this management team, your situation could definitely get worst. Don't believe me? Just wait and watch.

I don't wish this upon anyone. I just know how these guys operate. If they can get more from you and put more in their pocket, they will.

 

[340SAM]

Is this going to be another thread of the same 6 people going back and fourth saying the same thing over and over again

 

[redflyer65]

Your right. So I'll just sit back and watch. Good luck guys.

 

[340SAM]

Remember that you heard this here CHQ losing 70 seat rj flying for DL to PNL this is why they are starting F9 so fast
I said it once and I will say it again

larger jets for PNL
larger props for Colgan

Hopefully good for all

 

[Prop2Jet]

How about a 90 minute reserve call out? (We don't have it nor do we need it, sixty minutes is fine.)
Per diem? Only 1.37 not a $1.40 (very rare we need it)
Provisons for 10 hours of airport reserve? We have it ( I guess that is because you are getting screwed more).
Min day is only paid at 3.75 (min day is block)
Duty periods consistantly greater than 12. We have it. (OK, but we are home every night and our duty day is rarely over 12 hours)
Routine reduced rest overnights on your last night. We have it. (We don't need it, longest day I have ever had was 13 hours dues to weather and schedulers will give you more time off if you ask nice)
4 standups in a row. We have it. (stand ups, man you are getting screwed!)

 

[redflyer65]

From above.....

If they can get more from you and put more in their pocket, they will.

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

I just got an interview with republic so long suckas!

 

[suupah]

We have more of an idea than you might think. You already know the 1st and 2nd year FO rates are almost the same.

How about a 90 minute reserve call out? We have it.

ours is 60 min. in Houston that is pretty much hot reserve as you won't have time to get dressed if you get called, you better be dressed already

Per diem? Only 1.40

We don't have per diem. that is unless you are tdy or on overnights then it is 1.35

Provisons for 10 hours of airport reserve? We have it.

We don't have reserve (call out sick and you will hear about it, and if you dont' have a doc's note you will get in trouble ie, meeting with chief pilot) guys work sick because 20 dollar co pay and half a day at the doc just to call out sick is not worth it

Min day is only paid at 3.75

no min day. get paid your block. reserve pay is 2 hours

Duty periods consistantly greater than 12. We have it.

sometimes we pull max legal duty our out and back schedules dont' usually go that long though.

4 standups in a row. We have it.

Houston guys can tell you about this

 

[redflyer65]

OK guys. It's obvious you don't get it.

Lear70. Where are you? I could use some help here.

 

[suupah]

OK guys. It's obvious you don't get it.

Lear70. Where are you? I could use some help here.

I think we do get it. we will protect ourselves. we dont' want to be part of pcl alpa

 

[redflyer65]

I hope you are still around when Phil and the boys turn up the heat. I'll bring this thread back in 6 months or so. I hope you still respond. I don't wish you any ill will, I just know how these boys operate. And how can you protect yourselves? The ONLY option you have is to quit. Don't like it? Cash in your seniority and quit. That's it. Did I miss any of your other protections?

All I'm trying to get across here is an idea of who bought you. It isn't pretty. The good ole days are sadly over.

I want you to be CJC ALPA, not Pinnacle. You vote for your elected officials, you set the agenda, we don't. It would be your union. With the full backing of ALPA national. They bring some big resources to the table.

 

[suupah]

I hope you are still around when Phil and the boys turn up the heat. I'll bring this thread back in 6 months or so. I hope you still respond. I don't wish you any ill will, I just know how these boys operate. And how can you protect yourselves? The ONLY option you have is to quit. Don't like it? Cash in your seniority and quit. That's it. Did I miss any of your other protections?

All I'm trying to get across here is an idea of who bought you. It isn't pretty. The good ole days are sadly over.

I want you to be CJC ALPA, not Pinnacle. You vote for your elected officials, you set the agenda, we don't. It would be your union. With the full backing of ALPA national. They bring some big resources to the table.

and quit we will, in droves! at 20k a pop, pilot training is expensive and with jet operators hring like crazy it will be hard for them to find kids to fly the less sexy t prop.

If we unionize it will be to protect us from pinnacle alpa in the event of integration. other than that, i am pretty sure that our pay and benne's won't get worse. they would have sever labor problems making the airline unable to run.

the labor market is changing and soon the ball will be in our court.

 

[Godfather]

As from the previously quoted post..."All I'm trying to get across here is an idea of who bought you. It isn't pretty. The good ole days are sadly over."

"I want you to be CJC ALPA, not Pinnacle. You vote for your elected officials, you set the agenda, we don't. It would be your union. With the full backing of ALPA national. They bring some big resources to the table."[/quote]

Ditto...no disrespect here to the PCL Pilots Group but this is what I think everyone is trying to say.

 

[redflyer65]

Suupah,

We have FO's quiting in huge amounts at certain times. Mainly because of the low pay and abuse on reserve. Yes it cost PCL thousand of dollars to replace each one. We have brought this up at negotiating sessions. Would you like to know what they think? They don't care. Not one bit.
You are not an assest. You are now a cost unit. You are so easily replaceable and you unfortunately don't understand the game.

Thanks for the voice of reason Godfather. I'm offically done with this subject.

 

[suupah]

Suupah,

We have FO's quiting in huge amounts at certain times. Mainly because of the low pay and abuse on reserve. Yes it cost PCL thousand of dollars to replace each one. We have brought this up at negotiating sessions. Would you like to know what they think? They don't care. Not one bit.
You are not an assest. You are now a cost unit. You are so easily replaceable and you unfortunately don't understand the game.

Thanks for the voice of reason Godfather. I'm offically done with this subject.

ahh but the endless pool of the willing is drying up.

 

[Godfather]

Uh....Let's change subject....

Colts vs. Bears in Superbowl.....who's gonna win?

Let's give this a rest for a while and talk about something else....

 

[BirdCatcher]

Uh....Let's change subject....

Colts vs. Bears in Superbowl.....who's gonna win?

Let's give this a rest for a while and talk about something else....

Daaa Bears

 

[suupah]

colts. woohoo.

 

[Fred Rogers]

DAAAA BEARS DA BEARS DA BEARS DA BEARS... DAAAA BEARS DA BEARS DA BEARS DA BEARS...

just having anoder art attack baab...that makes a baker's dozen for me.

hooray for cooling down and talking about something else. deep breaths everyone. I think being represented might be a wonderful idea. Slow deep breathing.

Cheers, Fred

 

[suupah]

At least it isn't the patriots!

 

[Godfather]

Attention Colgan Hommies Important Plz Read

Peanuckle/Culligan Conference Call number and passcode is up at you know where (C/T)

CC starts at 11:30 and 16:30 on Monday

and for the love of God...

NOBODY IS TO POST THE PHONE NUMBER AND PASSCODE UP HERE OR ANYWHERE ON THE INTERNET THAT IS NOT SECURE. OR I WILL SEND LUCCA BRAZI, UNCLE PAULIE, SIL, UNCLE P*SSY AND FURIO AFTER YOU, CAPICE?

PM ME OR CALL ME ON MY SECRET DECODER RING # WITH QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS...WILL DISCUSS THIS LATER...

THANK YOU AND NOW BACK TO YOUR REGULAR SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING

 

[dingo222]

There are more emotions in here than in an episode of "my sweetest 16" on MTV 7.

 

[Joe Schmo]

Why are all the pinnacle people worried about getting whipsawed by colgan?
The companies fly for different codeshares, different markets, different regions, and different aircraft.
Even if PCL Mangement decided to dangle the Q400s in front of the two companies why would pinnacle pilots want to fly a turboprop, even at 50-seats plus the pay probably won't be more than a jet.
Of course colgan will get the additional turboprop flying, it is are three codeshare partners that are looking to expand and increase their turboprop flying, not northwest.
Why should Colgan unionize now? I'm at a regional its a stepping stone, the only thing I think that would cause Colgan to be pushed towards a union is if they start to lower pay. The want to get bigger turboprops then fine I for one don't plan on transtioning to bigger plan for the same money.

 

[TurboAWD]

Why are all the pinnacle people worried about getting whipsawed by colgan?

Because if we (meaning PNCL AND Colgan pilots) don't do something about it, they will be able to whipsaw us forever. New planes for DELTA? Who is going to fly for the least? It will go on forever. Don't believe that they will leave Colgan props/Pncl Jets indefinetly.

Turbo

 

[YMICFI]

Union now

I know there will be a very serious and concentrated effort to unionize Colgan. It has already begun. Those that are interested should spread the word and voice legitimate concerns so they can be addressed.

 

[suupah]

what are the risks that an employee would run if they participated in trying to get a union on property? in the past everyone knew that you would pretty much get fired if you seriously got involved with trying to get a union

 

[Yodafly]

wait and see
Colgan employees will unite if we need to
right now I sill got the same schedule and the same pay
let me know when that changes
so i can pay union dues

 

[PinnacleDude]

I see your concerns because i am sure that whatever they decide to do with our company is as well a kept secret as the buyout was.

However, I fear the 9e pilots union and what they would do with us more than management.

If we get into a situation where we get pasted to the bottom of the seniority list the Colganair shortcut to bigger and better things will become the longest way to the majors ever taken

If you knew PCL management, you would fear them much, much more. What kind of protection do you have when you are forced out of your affordable outstation bases to live in hubs? Don't think it will happen? Ask the PCL old timers.

I have talked to several of my PCL Union Reps. They have no intention of stapling the Colgan pilots. In fact, one of them said they would never, ever let that happen on his watch. In the discussion, they helped me see how counterproductive that would be to BOTH pilot groups and would be a managment dream for later exploitation. PCL Union's goal: get both groups to work together to get the fair deal we ALL deserve. PCL can afford to pay. It can happen and life could be very, very good for us all.