Colgans future

[cpierse]

Nice Typo there Tommy Boy! Be like Trump and get fired before you get hired...nice real nice.

BTW, Got it from a confirmed source that Colgan will be taking over the Shuttle America routes starting in the fall with 10 more Saabs-all B models from Eagle. None of the SA A's as previously rumored. Thank God! With A HUGE IAD CREW BASE!!! Texas is NOT SHUTTING DOWN as previously rumored and we aren't losing any UslessAir flying either. Hiring to resume at 20 per month indefinitely.

That's the latest from Rumor Control.

Hey Godfather,
What's the long term plan with IAH and IAD as crew bases? Are they eventually going to stick everyone at the outstations, or start doing overnights? Can't imagine they can continue leaving the aircraft overnight at the hubs...

 

[suupah]

they dont leave them at hubs. they are doing standups. so there is an early morning flight out of the out stations.

 

[chperplt]

I heard you guys don't get per diem on the stand ups.... Did the Colgans say that because you're only on duty 15 hours and 59 minutes, just like the rest of the company, that you don't deserve it??

How many legs do you do before or after the stand up??

 

[suupah]

no per diem. Usually one leg out then one leg back.

 

[HughBeamont]

For better or for worse, at what point do the Teamsters or ALPA decide that the Colgan pilot group is large enough to organize? We will certainly be 500 by years end.

 

[suupah]

If alpa organizes us, they will dissolve the company cuz it won't be as profitable and they will not have as much control

 

[chperplt]

You were big enough for the teamsters when you had less than 200 pilots.... No one had enough balls to make it happen.

I'm sure you could get ALPA or Teamsters on the property rather easily these days... It just takes a phone call and a neck that is willing to stick out.

 

[chperplt]

If alpa organizes us, they will dissolve the company cuz it won't be as profitable and they will not have as much control

This is the stupid ass kool aid the company wants you to believe. Time to get your head of your ass and start thinking about things realistically.

The Colgan family CAN NOT dissolve the company. They have signed contracts with both US AIR and CO they have to fulfull. They have lease payments they have to make... They can't simply dissolve the company because they don't want a union on the property.

The Colgans want you to believe they will sell the company or close it down... Make them sell the company!! The best thing that could ever happen to you guys is them selling the place.

 

[Godfather]

Amen!!!!

This is the stupid ass kool aid the company wants you to believe. Time to get your head of your ass and start thinking about things realistically.

The Colgan family CAN NOT dissolve the company. They have signed contracts with both US AIR and CO they have to fulfull. They have lease payments they have to make... They can't simply dissolve the company because they don't want a union on the property.

The Colgans want you to believe they will sell the company or close it down... Make them sell the company!! The best thing that could ever happen to you guys is them selling the place.

Couldn't have said it better....Bet yer bottom dollar that you'll see stand up overnights out of IAD and outbasing too. It's the Colgan way ya know. Don't pay us perdiem but beg and plead us to work on OUR days off to cover their a$$es thanks to the lack of crews we now have. Always leave it to the crews to save the day but don't give us compensation for our sacrifice. Puppy Chow, are ya listening? I'm still waiting on your return call.

chper...2 year anniversary's comin up...any thoughts for a get together at the Cape to remember Scott and Steve?

 

[cpierse]

they dont leave them at hubs. they are doing standups. so there is an early morning flight out of the out stations.

I just looked at the August pairings for IAH. It looks like there are only a few standups, and quite a lot of actual overnights (just like a REAL airline). Does it all change once the awards come out?

I'm still in the Beech, but barring a painful QOL, I would probably bid for IAD if and when it happens.

 

[chperplt]

Godfather...

Working on getting something planned for later in the month. Once I get the details worked out, I'll let you know.

Definitely need to have a drink on the cape!!

 

[cpierse]

Hard to believe it's been almost two years. I flew with Scott several times... I'll definitely raise a glass for the fellas.

 

[suupah]

I just looked at the August pairings for IAH. It looks like there are only a few standups, and quite a lot of actual overnights (just like a REAL airline). Does it all change once the awards come out?

I'm still in the Beech, but barring a painful QOL, I would probably bid for IAD if and when it happens.

I dunno because I am doing ALL stand ups this month!

 

[Alaska82]

I stoked, I just finished ground school and in two weeks will start sim. Whats the deal with IAH is it senior or do I have a chance in hell of gettin it in the near future? Thanks to any informed oppinions

 

[suupah]

GOOD JOB!

out of the prevoious class I think at least two got IAH so i think it is still growing and new hires still get it. But i am not sure what the immediate plans are.

 

[BRA]

Do you go home those two weeks without pay? Just wondering. For sim: make sure you know your memory items ahead of time. Know each page of the limitations chapter. Itt limits and what not. Look at the flows and memorize them. Especially: climb flow...at 400 feet, and before landing flow...the one you do after the gear goes down. This will help you a whole lot. Memorize the profiles for the ILS, one engine ILS, V1 cut. Know the call outs cold. Know the procedures for steep turns, and the 3 different stalls. Know what the safety checks are. Altitude, airspeed, area clear..blah blah blah. If you look through (do not memorize) all of the yellow and red checklists it will help you to learn the plane and it's systems. The items the checklist calls for should somewhat make sence to you as to why they do them. If not, you may want to study that system a little more. Especially the landing gear area. In the sim they may tell you the weather before you take off, make sure you know if you need a take off alternate or not, they will try and trick you. Stay positive at all times, and it should be fun.

 

[halfmoon]

There's no one scheduled for tomorrow's pairing. Your show time is 5am.

OK.

 

[halfmoon]

Joe Blow is timing out. You have to work for him. I have you deadheading to LGA at 6:10 am, to pick up a LGA ORF turn, dead head back to LGA for a 12:20 ACK, HYA. When you get HYA give dispatch a call. oh, better bring an over night bag.

But my wifes having a baby!

Welcome to colgan!!

yeeeeeee haaaaaah

 

[suupah]

BUT your going to be upgraded in 1 month then united is going to be begging you to work for them on the LAX-NRT route as soon as you have 1000pic turbine!

 

[HughBeamont]

These are just a few of the lessons that all Colgan FOs should be taught either in ground school or on IOE:

The absolute best policy for a Colgan pilot is to NEVER, I repeat NEVER pick up your phone without checking the caller ID from the time you check out on your last day until your show time on your first day. NEVER. Unless you want to fly and/or compete for the company whore crown.

There is no concept of "I'll rub your back, you'll rub mine". The complete lack of communication at the mothership means your favor is off the map 5 minutes after you agree to do one. If you want quid pro quo, extract the concession at the time of the favor.

Realize that they have you for 16 hours from your show time every time you come to work. And you might not get home.

If you have a reserve day followed by a day off, expect to have your ass dumped somewhere other than your base, and then travel home on your day off.

Check in with dispatch early the night before you have a reserve day (like 5pm). They don't think up the screwy stuff until far later. Then don't pick up your phone until 5am or 11am, whatever the case may be.

Do not try to assist in solving dispatch problems. Any idea that you offer that makes sense will be immediately discarded, so don't offer it. There's always the chance they'll think of it.

When your day is disintegrating and you are wondering, "What are they going to do with us next?" just relax, hang out, and do not call them. Nothing good can ever come of asking questions. They have you for 16 hours. They might even forget about you.

 

[BirdCatcher]

I think that should be a memo and put into the read and sign binder

 

[BRA]

"When your day is disintegrating and you are wondering, "What are they going to do with us next?" just relax, hang out, and do not call them. Nothing good can every come of asking questions. They have you for 16 hours. They might even forget about you."

You ever call them because the FO kept asking you what is going on next? Then dispatch or crew scheduling asks you what city are you in? I always find that question kinda funny when i am on the clock.

 

[BRA]

Remember, here 16 hours can turn into 20. Part 91. I just saw a dude fly 7 days in a row, 7th was a part 91 repo flight. They will do this in a heartbeat.

 

[dh82dvr]

We need you to fly tomorrow.

Well I'd like to help you out but there is no way I can get a baby sitter for that.

 

[chperplt]

I just saw a dude fly 7 days in a row, 7th was a part 91 repo flight. They will do this in a heartbeat.

How about the... But it's my 7th day... Ah, you blocked in at 1400 yesterday and we don't want you to fly until 1401 today.. You've had your 24 hours off in 7.

 

[halfmoon]

I volunteered to work on my days off. They all like me in manassas now!! hah ha

 

[cpierse]

These are just a few of the lessons that all Colgan FOs should be taught either in ground school or on IOE:

The absolute best policy for a Colgan pilot is to NEVER, I repeat NEVER pick up your phone without checking the caller ID from the time you check out on your last day until your show time on your first day. NEVER. Unless you want to fly and/or compete for the company whore crown.

There is no concept of "I'll rub your back, you'll rub mine". The complete lack of communication at the mothership means your favor is off the map 5 minutes after you agree to do one. If you want quid pro quo, extract the concession at the time of the favor.

Realize that they have you for 16 hours from your show time every time you come to work. And you might not get home.

If you have a reserve day followed by a day off, expect to have your ass dumped somewhere other than your base, and then travel home on your day off.

Check in with dispatch early the night before you have a reserve day (like 5pm). They don't think up the screwy stuff until far later. Then don't pick up your phone until 5am or 11am, whatever the case may be.

Do not try to assist in solving dispatch problems. Any idea that you offer that makes sense will be immediately discarded, so don't offer it. There's always the chance they'll think of it.

When your day is disintegrating and you are wondering, "What are they going to do with us next?" just relax, hang out, and do not call them. Nothing good can every come of asking questions. They have you for 16 hours. They might even forget about you.

That about sums it up! I'd also try to bid away from maintenance bases. Hot reserve is a terrible thing!

 

[Alaska82]

All that stuff sounds like my old 135 job. I'll make sure to not answer my cell on days off! As far as getting paid during my two week break thats a negative. Kinda pissed but what can you say. I was going to only have 5 days off and two captains quit so they have to upgrade two others so I lost my sim time. Sucks but the more that leave or upgrade the closer I get. When we get the United stuff from shuttle in Dulles how many pilots do you think were gonna need for that? I sounds like it should be pretty decent

 

[JATAGA]

read between the lines... it means those of us who are about to upgrade will have no say.

The bid sheet is useless... see you guys at IAD.

 

[HughBeamont]

You ever call them because the FO kept asking you what is going on next? Then dispatch or crew scheduling asks you what city are you in? I always find that question kinda funny when i am on the clock.

It's so funny to see FOs behaving exactly the way I behaved three years ago. When I thought that the universe was orderly. And humans rational.