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You have PFT_128 on here, the biggest ALPO cheerleader on FI. He chose to leave an ALPO carrier for a NON-ALPO carrier. That should tell you how much he really loves and believes in ALPA...HE LEFT!!

Left? Hardly. I'm one of the many AirTran pilots that are currently working to bring ALPA to AirTran. That tells you how much I believe in ALPA.
 
You guys did a great thing today. Now we're all in it together against the knuckleheads on Nonconnah. Looking forward to getting things done with SLI.

End the whipsaw.
 
Yes the BOD met in Vegas this year (pretty cheep place to have a large meeting like that, BTW).

So you are upset that the BOD has a meeting every other year to do the business of the Association? And they get some food on your dime? For volunteering all year long and having cell phone calls 24/7?

I tell you what, I wouldn't do the work of a rep for a free "vacation" every other year.

Turbo
 
You seem to have an obsession with pet food. I don't know what it did to harm you, but perhaps you should seek professional help. Good luck with that.
 
Join the club. Misery Loves Company.
You have PFT_128 on here, the biggest ALPO cheerleader on FI. He chose to leave an ALPO carrier for a NON-ALPO carrier. That should tell you how much he really loves and believes in ALPA...HE LEFT!!

I give it one year before Colgan guys come on here complaining about "What are our dues actually doing for us! I still have the same sh*t pay. Still fly 29.9 hours every week. Still getting junior assigned. I grieve it, but nothing happens!"
Just remember. ALPO only does what the company will allow them to. I have flown for an ALPO carrier and they have NO POWER when it comes to confronting management.
Good luck. You're still going to be the football, while the monkey has it's way with you.....on top of your 2% paycut you just voted in. You think ALPO is really going to fight for a pay raise anytime soon for you prop guys, while the majority of the other regionals are furloughing and taking paycuts? Get Real, suckers.

Colgan pilots gave their management a year since the last union drive and many things got worse. So what is your alternative? Just putting their current work rules in a contract is a vast improvement from the ability of management to change them at whim. Of course negotiating a contract or anything else is a two way street. Some managements are most hostile than others. More the reason to have a union but with a new administration ALPA will have more leverage available to use in its negotiations that they haven't had for ten years.

By the way, ALPA dues are 1.95% which are tax deductable. So your effective dues rate may in fact be lower by the same percentage of your tax bracket. Also, probationary members pay zero dues. ALPA is the rank and file. If you want raises, YOU need to fight for them, not some misconstrued dillusion of "ALPA National." No one other than the MEC dictates what you fight for regardless of who is furloughing and taking paycuts.

I've never worked for Colgan, but all airline management is crap. I've heard the stories of Colgan, and it sounds worse than some others.
Now you have to watch your azz from both sides. From ALPO and Management.

The thing with ALPA is that if you don't like the job your MEC is doing, you just vote them out of office. Not something so easily done with management.

No, we get it. Some of us are sick of seeing what happened with our dues.
We still get the brown end of the stick, while the top tier of ALPA gets all the perks.
Neat little "conventions" in Canada for a fishing trip.
Or how about a week of skiing in the Alps?
Just recently they went to Vegas. Wow, sounds like they get a lot of nice vacations, on our dollar while nothing is solved.
We're still getting bent over by management and the FAA. While ALPO management thrives.
ALPA is nothing but a bandaid on a 3rd degree burn victim.

What you don't get is that as a member of ALPA, its YOUR association. If you are "sick of the brown end of the stick, perks, fishing trips, Vegas, Alps" then put forth a resolution at your next local council or master executive council meeting with your alternatives. Or better yet, start a recall drive and run for a rep position yourself. You are ALPA management and therefore you only have ourselves to blame for "a bandaid on a 3rd degree burn."

You have no place to complain to other than to yourself, especially if you haven't gotten involved and remained engaged in your attempts to make it better.

Are you kidding?
Management has been whipsawing ALPO carriers, and ALPO has done nothing but sit back and watch it happen.
Freedom
GoJets
ALPO really stopped them!

Mesa pilots paid the price for reigning in their management's exploit of an alter ego airline. GoJet is now teamsters and so TSA is having to deal with that now. But if you were engaged into what ALPA is doing about this problem rather than just complaining about it, you would know of the work that the Fee For Departure Task Force is doing to fix this once and for all. You should look into it since this seems to be something you are concerned about, rightfully so.
 
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As for me I am VERY excited about the election today. The real work begins NOW! We now have a registration drive and after that need to vote reps in.

We need to find smart people who will represent OUR interests and then hold them to it.

THEN we need to understand our contract and abide by it.

Change doesn't come easy and we will only get out of it what we put into it.


The two important things I did learn were that you are as powerful and strong as you allow yourself to be, and that the most difficult part of any endeavor is taking the first step, making the first decision."
~Robyn Davidson
 
A little late but I feel its still relevant read.
Letter of Support from Capt. Bill Dressler, XJT MEC
Letter of Support from Capt. Jay Pierce, CAL MEC - December 1

Colgan Air Pilots Vote to Join ALPA

NMB Election Results Show Overwhelming Support for Union

WASHINGTON – The Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), welcomes today’s announcement by the National Mediation Board (NMB) that the pilots of Colgan Air, Inc., have selected the union as their collective bargaining representative. According to the NMB, 313 of 449 eligible voters cast a ballot in support of representation, well above the threshold required for certification. Prior to the election, the Colgan pilots were unrepresented.

“We are pleased that the pilots of Colgan Air have elected to join the 53,000 members of ALPA and secure the benefits of representation by a powerful international union,” said Capt. John Prater, president of ALPA. “We look forward to working with them to improve their careers and to the Colgan pilots’ active participation in the Association’s ongoing work to enhance the professional futures of all ALPA pilots.”

Capt. Mark Segaloff, one of the leaders of the Colgan Air Pilots ALPA Organizing Committee, added, “We thank all of our pilots who took the time to find out more about ALPA and to cast their vote in the election. Thanks as well to the many ALPA pilot volunteers who gave their efforts to the campaign. It is now our duty as Colgan pilots to take the unity we have built, along with ALPA’s vast resources, and transfer that into negotiating a contract that we deserve.”
http://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...iew.aspx?itemid=17335&ModuleId=12567&Tabid=73
 
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Building Our Union
Our Next Steps

We are providing this guide to give every pilot a better sense of what will happen after the election and to answer your questions about what having ALPA representation will mean to us as Colgan pilots. But until December 17, our primary focus must remain on the task at hand: winning the election and securing ALPA representation. Every pilot needs to vote—not voting is a vote against representation under NMB rules!

If you have already voted, we thank you and encourage you to remind others to cast their vote. If you are still undecided, please attend one of our informational meetings, check out our website at www.alpa.org/colgan, or contact any member of the Organizing Committee listed on the back cover for more information about how joining ALPA will help our careers here at Colgan.

Working Within ALPA: The Fee for Departure Working Group

You may not know that ALPA already represents 14 different fee-for-departure carriers, representing
over 16,000 pilots flying under the colors of every major airline. With all of those groups working
together, we can increase the bargaining power of fee-for-departure pilots who currently find their
flying coming and going at the whim of mainline partners.

The Fee for Departure Working Group was founded on the principle that as managements work together, so should pilots. The goals of the Working Group are the same as the goals of all pilots—
ensuring reasonable pay, benefits, work rules, and job security, recognizing the pilots’ contribution to
the success of their company, and improving the quality of life for pilots and their families.

The Working Group is seeking to meet these goals by fostering collaboration between all fee-fordeparture carriers across all mainline partners. Specific goals include:

? Industry-wide contract harmonization relating to pay, work rules, and benefits
? Development of career pathways to mainline partners and the ability to follow flying between
fee-for-departure carriers, maintaining seniority and longevity
? Mutual assistance to reduce the impact of industry consolidation
? Increasing unity across carriers to improve collective bargaining strength

The Fee for Departure Working Group held a summit in March 2008 and another meeting in May. Prior
to the Board of Directors meeting in October, the Working Group met again, with more than 100 elected representatives from 14 carriers present to share in the discussion. At the October meeting, the Working Group revised its strategic plan to assist carriers heading into negotiations in 2009. The Working Group also hosts monthly conference calls between the MEC leadership of each pilot group.

Capt. Tom Wychor (Mesaba), one of the organizers of the first Fee for Departure Summit, summarized
the goals of the Working Group accordingly: “As members of the industry, we are working toward a
long-term goal. And that goal is to work within airline brands and across corporate lines to create
harmonized contract standards and pilot migration mechanisms that would allow pilots’ longevity and
seniority to follow their flying.”

OUR Careers OUR Choice OUR Union Within Colgan: Our LEC, MEC, and Committee Structure

ALPA at Colgan will include both elected officers and pilot volunteers. Below is a short overview of what ALPA will look like at Colgan. It is up to us to determine what volunteer committees we need; what is provided here is only a sample of the opportunities available to us as ALPA members.

Local Executive Councils
Your Local Executive Council, or LEC, includes the CA and FO status representatives, as well as an
LEC secretary-treasurer. Your LEC is your direct link to the resources ALPA offers and should be your
first call in the event of any company action against you, or if you have an idea to improve Colgan or the Association.

Master Executive Council
Your Master Executive Council, or MEC, is comprised of all the LEC and elected officers. The MEC is the face of Colgan Air inside ALPA and will participate with the MEC leadership of other carriers in collaborative efforts like the Fee for Departure Working Group.

The MEC also appoints the pilot group’s volunteer committees and guides them in their duties.

Volunteer Committees
We will have many volunteer committees at Colgan, including a Central Air Safety Committee, Hotel
Committee, and Jumpseat Committee. Listed below is a small sample of the most well-known ALPA
committees. If you would like to know more about ALPA committees, please contact an OC member.

Negotiating Committee
The Negotiating Committee represents the pilot group in collective bargaining negotiations with management. The Negotiating Committee is appointed by the MEC, which charges the pilot negotiators with the responsibility of negotiating a collective bargaining agreement that reflects the priorities of the pilot group. ALPA’s Representation Department offers a bargaining conference and a negotiations training seminar for committee members, and our pilot negotiators will be accompanied by an ALPA attorney at all times. They will also be joined by ALPA experts in Economic & Financial Analysis, Retirement &
Insurance, Scheduling, and other professional staff at appropriate times in the negotiations process.

The specific duties of the Negotiating Committee include:

• Reviewing all applicable pilot group contracts in the industry.
• Developing appropriate surveys to evaluate and establish crewmembers’ concerns and objectives for
contract negotiations.
• Reporting contract comparison findings and recommending changes to improve our contract.
• Assisting members in understanding the provisions of their contract.
• Maintaining constant and direct communication with the MEC throughout the negotiations process.
• Making periodic progress reports to the pilot group, consistent with good negotiating practices.

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Scheduling Committee
The Scheduling Committee is the liaison between the pilot group and management in the bid and line
construction process. The Committee works to ensure that the lines built by the company follow the terms of the contract and the FARs, as well as to identify lines that create unsafe working conditions, such as a line that flip-flops between day and night flying.

“The Scheduling Committee coordinates with
management to ensure that lines produced by
the company are lines the pilots want to fly
and are contractually compliant.”
—Cory Tennen, ALPA Economic & Financial
Analysis Department, former Comair captain and Scheduling Committee member

Some of the Scheduling Committee’s duties include:

• Collecting and maintaining data regarding the allocation, assignment, or reduction of crewmember
assignments, trip pairings, reserve assignments, and lines of flying; junior manning; temporary duty
assignments; and schedule changes.
• Verifying daily scheduling practices and assignments to ensure compliance with the collective bargaining agreement.
• Working as an intermediary between the line pilot and the Company on daily scheduling practices.
• Maintaining pilot group knowledge of contract provisions related to scheduling rules.
• Coordinating schedule requirements with company marketing activities to ensure optimum utilization
of pilot time.
• Bringing to the attention of the MEC any suggestion(s) for improvement of bid line construction.

Grievance Committee
The Grievance Committee gathers, investigates, and compiles information regarding members’ grievance complaints. When you believe the company has violated your contractual rights, you should contact the Grievance Committee to bring your case to management. ALPA offers a grievance seminar every year for committee members.

Grievance Committee members engage in many aspects of contract enforcement, including:

• Maintaining grievance files and records in a complete and up-to-date manner.
• Serving as liaison to the ALPA Representation and Legal Departments on all local grievance matters,
and coordinating with them as necessary.
• Ensuring efficiency in processing a grievance or preparing for an arbitration hearing.
• Providing regular written activity reports on current and/or potential grievances to the MEC chairman.

Professional Standards Committee
The Professional Standards Committee maintains the professional standards of the pilot group. This
committee seeks to resolve issues that arise between pilots or that affect the professional standards of the pilot group, such as pilot competence, before management gets involved in the problem. ALPA offers professional standards training through its Engineering and Air Safety and Security and Human Performance Departments.

Members of the Professional Standards Committee:

• Maintain a thorough understanding of company procedures, requirements, and the ALPA Code of Ethics.
• Conduct in-depth investigations of problems referred to the committee and provide a recommended course of action as to the disposition of individual cases.
• Refer professional or ethical problems to the MEC in the event a resolution to a problem cannot be successfully reached at the committee level.
• Hold all interviews, correspondence, and other written material in the strictest of confidence throughout the investigation of a professional standards problem.
• Maintain close contact with the Grievance Committee and MEC chairman.

“As a Contract Compliance Committee member,
it is my job to help pilots enforce their contractual rights. Sometimes that is just making a call to a chief pilot; in other cases, it is helping our ALPA contract administrator prepare for an arbitration hearing.”
—Capt. Chris Grable, ExpressJet
Contract Compliance Committee member

After the Election
After a successful representation election, our work is still only half done to create a functioning, effective volunteer structure and MEC to serve our pilot group and address the concerns that formed the basis for the organizing drive. The first set of initiatives we will take after the election includes:

? Holding a membership drive to enroll all Colgan pilots as ALPA members. Voting ALPA in does not yet make us individual members; all pilots will still need to fill out membership applications. The membership applications will be mailed within a
couple of weeks after the election ends.
? Establish our representation structure, including Local Executive Councils.
? Appoint interim MEC/LEC officers to facilitate the membership drive and begin building relationships within ALPA.
? Following enrollment of a majority of Colgan pilots in ALPA, holding nominations meetings and elections for status representatives.

No pilot will be charged dues during the first 90 days following the election, to allow time to return and process membership applications. In order to attend LEC meetings, vote, or run for a position or
volunteer, you must be an ALPA member.

Following the acceptance of your application, each pilot will immediately gain access to the following individual benefits of ALPA membership (this list is not exhaustive):

? Aeromedical services
? Representation in front of the FAA and other government agencies
? Emergency Incident Response access, i.e., the “Orange Card”
? Right to vote and voice your opinions to your MEC and ALPA officers

It is also important to point out that electing ALPA as our representative will not instantly cure all of our ills. Until we have a contract in place, management still retains some rights to change some of our work rules and employee policies, with the caveat that they must have a reasonable business justification for doing so and not implement the new policy discriminatorily or punitively for voting in a union.

We will work, though, to begin the process of negotiating a collective bargaining contract as soon as possible, especially to negotiate and implement a grievance procedure and start the discussion over
work rules and scheduling policies to improve our quality of life. Our strength at the table and our ability to get things done will reflect the unity we show in the election and following.

We urge you again, if you have not voted, to VOTE. And if you have voted, remind a colleague about the role he or she can play to make Colgan better for all of us.
 
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Congratulations, and thank you members of the Organizing Committee for all of your hard work!
 
XJT MEC Update
December 18, 2008

Colgan Pilots Choose ALPA

The results are in. Colgan pilots have voted in ALPA with 70 percent support! The final list was 449 eligible voters, with 286 in support of ALPA and 27 write-ins for the IBT.

Having the pilots of Colgan join ALPA was important for the Union and was essential to the ExpressJet pilots. Our pilots operate in the same hubs, for the same mainline carrier. This close proximity necessitated a close working relationship that can only be achieved by pilots working under the same banner -- the ALPA banner. The MEC would like to thank all of you who spoke with Colgan pilots on the jumpseat, in the airports or at any of the organizing events. Thanks for all of your work and please spread the word. The next time you see a Colgan pilot, be sure to welcome him/her to the ALPA family.
 
Excellent opportunity for Colgan pilots to build career skills that major airline recruiters look for...

Many of the pilots that left my regional were ALPA volunteers. No they didn't wave the ALPA flag at the interview or put union on their resume/application.

However, when you do professional volunteer work it teaches you how to work with others and matures your skillset... Simply put, it is noticeable when you present yourself.

Sure some guys just have the knack, and can turn on the charm in the interview, but why not get in on the new committee structure from the ground up, help your fellow pilots and the ones that will be Colgan pilots, while you help yourself become more marketable to a major... if that is what you desire....

Good luck guys... the support and resources are there, you just need to take the lead....
 
Excellent opportunity for Colgan pilots to build career skills that major airline recruiters look for...
Wow, now that you wear an ALPA pin, you're officially a Professional Pilot!

I guess those NetJet, CitationShare and the Chief Pilot of Walt Disney will be upset to hear that they're not Professional Pilots since they're not ALPA.
 
Excellent opportunity for Colgan pilots to build career skills that major airline recruiters look for...

Many of the pilots that left my regional were ALPA volunteers. No they didn't wave the ALPA flag at the interview or put union on their resume/application.

However, when you do professional volunteer work it teaches you how to work with others and matures your skillset... Simply put, it is noticeable when you present yourself.

Sure some guys just have the knack, and can turn on the charm in the interview, but why not get in on the new committee structure from the ground up, help your fellow pilots and the ones that will be Colgan pilots, while you help yourself become more marketable to a major... if that is what you desire....

Good luck guys... the support and resources are there, you just need to take the lead....

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Voting in a union is a way to improve the workplace in the long term, in a slow and measured way. ALPA is no hero.

Yes, it will take a long time to get things going. But be prepared to start paying dues immediately.
That's the only thing that does happen right away.
 
Yes, it will take a long time to get things going. But be prepared to start paying dues immediately.
That's the only thing that does happen right away.

That is not correct. Didn't you read my post above?;) It says, "no pilot will be charged dues during the first 90 days following the election, to allow time to return and process membership applications."
 

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