Colgan Troubles?

[Mookie]

So where are you guys flying out of IAD too??? I just want to make sure that my mother avoids those cities as she travels alot thru IAD. Sorry not to bag, but this stuff ain't cool when family is involved...

Mookie

 

[BSkin]

Prop2Jet -- affirmative.

I.P, we can all judge in hindsight, but knowing that runway, and being at V1 at least half way down it, trying to lift off and have a second or two to try it again, or abort, I'd say they did the right thing in that situation.

Oh, and can you relay that to b1900 guy, since I guess he relies on you to get his point.

 

[I.P. Freley]

LOL Like I said, I know nothing of the airport or runway in question... Just that aborting after V1 is sometimes a good idea, esp. when the doubt about your ability to actually get airborne is in question. No slam on the crew and their reaction, either, just in case someone decides to make an issue out of it!

 

[BSkin]

No worries. I recommend visiting that airport (RKD). Drive from BOS though. Beautiful place 4-5 months out of the year. And a very special double-wide (and a half) trailer as the terminal.

 

[b1900guy]

bskin how much runway do yo need to stop the b1900d?

 

[BSkin]

bskin how much runway do yo need to stop the b1900d?

Sorry, don't have the manual anymore.

It's very easy to look in hindsight on any 'incident'. Sure, when you know its coming in the sim., its easy. Real life, when you're not expecting it, and it's not a "typical" abort item, you have very little runway, and you try again to lift off (granted, not a normal takoff) and it flies, you go -- better option than in the woods.

 

[getout]

couple of thoughts,

The pilot was Ben. Flew with him for a long time. Couldn't hold the guys lunch. He is wired tight. Knows his crap and is just a dam good pilot. If you weren't there then let it go.
If you haven't flown into the airport and the conditions in the northeast shut up. I realize when you got all your trianing in FLA the weather and conditions were always great but, in ME it sucks!! Try landing your RJ there sometime.
I still have a 1900 manual makes a great coaster.
V-1 is ther for a reason. Look it up
I gotta mix another drink

 

[chperplt]

Getout

Well put....

I'm still waiting to buy some drinks on your next visit to the fun land!

 

[BRA]

In my experience all the saabs and beeches at colgan have a slightly different feel to them. Some are easy on the controls and some are not. They have no hydrolics in the controls. I know many times i went to pull one off the ground and it didn't want to rotate right away. All you gotta do is pull a little more. The pax may have gotten up and moved, or maybe the trim wasn't set just right. These guys had a real problem, but i can totally see why they didn't do an abort.

 

[getout]

You sir are dead on!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOps dropped my swizel stick

 

[I.P. Freley]

bskin how much runway do yo need to stop the b1900d?

Should I ask why someone with the handle "b1900guy" needs to ask how much runway you need to stop a 1900?

I know an empty 1900 with a 10kt headwind can be brought to a stop around 1000-1200ft from a runway threshold on landing... If that helps.

A 1900 with takeoff fuel and 9 occupants? Gotta figure 1500ft from the time you retard the power.

 

[English]

couple of thoughts,

The pilot was Ben.

Is this the same Ben that upgraded to Saab captain in 2001?

 

[Captain Overs]

I'm talking about the primary reason ALPA was started. Safety. It appears these guys are sorely in need.

BTW Prop2Jet....If you are not part of the solution than your part of the problem!

"If you are not part of the solution then you're part of the problem" is a logical fallacy.

 

[Prop2Jet]

I agree.

 

[chperplt]

Is this the same Ben that upgraded to Saab captain in 2001?

Different guy

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

Nice job on hijacking the thread everyone! The original topic was how Beaumont Tx. wasn't getting what they felt was proper air service. Somehow we then began talking about flight controls on a BE1900. Is our attention span that short? No wonder Mgmt. controls us at bargaining tables....

However I did fly Bro's into BPT and nothing short of a G-V is gonna satisfy those oil tycoon wannabes! Kinda like MRY or SUN with a redneck twist to it.

 

[727PAA]

Now I'm confused

I thought the gist of the article was that the people in Beumont were complaining not because of Colgan's performance, but, because the frequency had been scaled back. I guess I'll have to go back and re-read the article again. Seems like lots of folks like jumping on the bash Colgan band wagon.

 

[chperplt]

Seems like lots of folks like jumping on the bash Colgan band wagon.

Do a search on the company for posts over the last 2-3 months... Have we gone 2 weeks without hearing about another engine failure or flight control malfunction?

 

[727PAA]

Lighten up.

I still am confused about how engine failures are a problem with Colgan's mx. Did they neglect to do a compressor wash? Is their computer that tracks the trends for GE not being updated? I could see how the flight control malfunction could be a result of shoddy workmanship, but, an engine?

R...you really have to let it go... I mean you have alot of time/frustration built up to post so often on this board about a carrier you are now two airlines away from.

 

[chperplt]

I still am confused about how engine failures are a problem with Colgan's mx. Did they neglect to do a compressor wash? Is their computer that tracks the trends for GE not being updated? I could see how the flight control malfunction could be a result of shoddy workmanship, but, an engine?

You can't figure out how poor mx can lead to engine failures? Ask Godfather... He's been the recipient of one..