Colgan Troubles?

[b1900guy]

This time it worked out....I have a copy of the picture of the elevator and they got lucky it did not jam. I don't want to monday morning QB, But I do know the BE1900D will stop real quick with or without anti-skid. This time it was the right move. kudos to the crew!

 

[BSkin]

This time it worked out....I have a copy of the picture of the elevator and they got lucky it did not jam. I don't want to monday morning QB, But I do know the BE1900D will stop real quick with or without anti-skid. This time it was the right move. kudos to the crew!

Maybe if you've flown out of there, you would understand. On a 5000 ft runway (if it was 31), the second or two trying to figure out what's going on, you have just ruined your chances of stopping safely -- that's why they call it V1! Taking it flying is the safest move, and it is a straight shot to AUG, which is probably the smartest move if you suspect flight control problems

Having flown the Biatch-1900 for quite some time, I must disagree on easy stopping with no anti-skid at 100+ on that length runway

 

[Prop2Jet]

Hey Bskin, are u at Airtran?

 

[I.P. Freley]

Maybe if you've flown out of there, you would understand. On a 5000 ft runway (if it was 31), the second or two trying to figure out what's going on, you have just ruined your chances of stopping safely -- that's why they call it V1! Taking it flying is the safest move, and it is a straight shot to AUG, which is probably the smartest move if you suspect flight control problems

Now, I don't know what happened in this particular situation, but in every airplane I have ever flown that HAD a "V1", there were only a very small handful of situations in which you'd attempt to stop after passing V1... And one of those was a flight control failure. "Taking it flying" is not "the safest" move if you have no idea if it will actually FLY.

Again, didn't necessarily apply here, but aborting past V1 for some circumstances is a better scenario than continuing.

 

[b1900guy]

Thank you I.P FRELEY. That was all I was trying to say, Just not as good as you said it.

 

[Mookie]

So where are you guys flying out of IAD too??? I just want to make sure that my mother avoids those cities as she travels alot thru IAD. Sorry not to bag, but this stuff ain't cool when family is involved...

Mookie

 

[BSkin]

Prop2Jet -- affirmative.

I.P, we can all judge in hindsight, but knowing that runway, and being at V1 at least half way down it, trying to lift off and have a second or two to try it again, or abort, I'd say they did the right thing in that situation.

Oh, and can you relay that to b1900 guy, since I guess he relies on you to get his point.

 

[I.P. Freley]

LOL Like I said, I know nothing of the airport or runway in question... Just that aborting after V1 is sometimes a good idea, esp. when the doubt about your ability to actually get airborne is in question. No slam on the crew and their reaction, either, just in case someone decides to make an issue out of it!

 

[BSkin]

No worries. I recommend visiting that airport (RKD). Drive from BOS though. Beautiful place 4-5 months out of the year. And a very special double-wide (and a half) trailer as the terminal.

 

[b1900guy]

bskin how much runway do yo need to stop the b1900d?

 

[BSkin]

bskin how much runway do yo need to stop the b1900d?

Sorry, don't have the manual anymore.

It's very easy to look in hindsight on any 'incident'. Sure, when you know its coming in the sim., its easy. Real life, when you're not expecting it, and it's not a "typical" abort item, you have very little runway, and you try again to lift off (granted, not a normal takoff) and it flies, you go -- better option than in the woods.

 

[getout]

couple of thoughts,

The pilot was Ben. Flew with him for a long time. Couldn't hold the guys lunch. He is wired tight. Knows his crap and is just a dam good pilot. If you weren't there then let it go.
If you haven't flown into the airport and the conditions in the northeast shut up. I realize when you got all your trianing in FLA the weather and conditions were always great but, in ME it sucks!! Try landing your RJ there sometime.
I still have a 1900 manual makes a great coaster.
V-1 is ther for a reason. Look it up
I gotta mix another drink

 

[chperplt]

Getout

Well put....

I'm still waiting to buy some drinks on your next visit to the fun land!

 

[BRA]

In my experience all the saabs and beeches at colgan have a slightly different feel to them. Some are easy on the controls and some are not. They have no hydrolics in the controls. I know many times i went to pull one off the ground and it didn't want to rotate right away. All you gotta do is pull a little more. The pax may have gotten up and moved, or maybe the trim wasn't set just right. These guys had a real problem, but i can totally see why they didn't do an abort.

 

[getout]

You sir are dead on!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOps dropped my swizel stick