Colgan Pilots, This explains it

[XJohXJ]

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[cjcpilot]

Quoting the FOPP is fun. Here is a little gem:

3.27.0 F NOTE
Rest is defined as a continuous period of time that is free from all restraint including freedom from work and freedom from responsibility for work should the occasion arise. A telephonic or other message to a Crew Member from the company or the airman to the company is not considered an interruption of a required rest period.

If anyone can explain that logic, I'm listening.

The key word is message. You are not requred to respond or acknowledge reciept of that message until your next duty period. If you are, then the message is an interruption. This is a part of the FARs.

I believe the general idea that the FAA is trying to cover is that someone might call you from the company for something other than "can you show up early?"

 

[Visceral]

Check out the big brain on CJC.

Thanks

 

[Fred Rogers]

Exactly,

Management was quite surprised when Colgan Pilots filed with the NMB for a vote. QUITE surprised.

Also the stuff that they are producing on the www.colgancares.com website is coming from the same law firm/lawyers that represents Frank Lorenzo.

It's the truth, none of this would be going on if there were no union talks. Colgan cares when it interests them to do so.

 

[70-SS]

It's the truth, none of this would be going on if there were no union talks. Colgan cares when it interests them to do so.

Colgan's are Democrats Since when do democrats not want Unions??????????

 

[YMICFI]

Colgan's are Democrats Since when do democrats not want Unions??????????[/quote]

That's a fine question. One that can and should be asked of the longest serving member of the Virginia State Senate. Bet he didn't get re-elected over 40 years without help.

 

[Fred Rogers]

Colgan's are Democrats Since when do democrats not want Unions??????????

A Virginia Democrat is like a New York Republican

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

When is LGA getting free lunch again?

 

[pilotdiscretion]

Looking at airlinepilotcentral I see five 70 seat turboprop operators in the US.

Horizon
American Eagle
ASA
Island Air
Colgan

Then I read the colgancares web site and the messages telling pilots that the company is always reviewing industry pay scales and updating them to pay industry average wages.

Has anyone asked why the Colgan 70 seat pay rates imposed by management are the lowest in the industry? Has the airline ever explained why they will have the lowest paid 70 seat pilots in the industry?

If you've asked the question and received an answer please post it.

 

[70-SS]

Looking at airlinepilotcentral I see five 70 seat turboprop operators in the US.

Horizon
American Eagle
ASA
Island Air
Colgan

Then I read the colgancares web site and the messages telling pilots that the company is always reviewing industry pay scales and updating them to pay industry average wages.

Has anyone asked why the Colgan 70 seat pay rates imposed by management are the lowest in the industry? Has the airline ever explained why they will have the lowest paid 70 seat pilots in the industry?

If you've asked the question and received an answer please post it.

The only Q400 outfit in the US is Horizon. They have pretty good rates. Colgan came in with bottom of the barrel pay. Why?

Big insult.

Here is me question??

Colgan says it has above average employees. Then why pay us below average wages?

 

[YMICFI]

When is LGA getting free lunch again?

Tomorrow, Sunday, July 29th for one. There will be others in the future before the voting is up. Why? Have you finally changed your mind, done your research and decided to vote yes?

 

[Godfather]

Deep Thoughts by Jack Handey

Colgan's are Democrats Since when do democrats not want Unions??????????

That's a fine question. One that can and should be asked of the longest serving member of the Virginia State Senate. Bet he didn't get re-elected over 40 years without help.[/quote]

If anyone is bored and wants to do some research, google AFL-CIO and Teamsters campaign contributions. They both donated $$ to the Colgan re-election campaign over the years. Ironic how the old man will gladly accept the donations to get re-elected, but is totally against having those unions come onto his property to represent his own employees. What will happen when ALPA and USW or AFA come on board? Will the unions stop the contributions or will it be politics/business as usual in supporting the Democrats?

Another Ironic thought of theory...What if a portion of that magical 1.95% of your salary going to ALPA dues was used for Daddy Chuck Colgan's re-election campaign? I wonder if Mike ever considered that when he wrote his letters against ALPA, that the family can make money off the union? Just a thought...Besides, the money would not come from dues, it would come from the AFL-CIO's PAC Money (of which ALPA is a part of) I read the by-laws right.

Sounds more logical that Mike's 401K sob story, doesn't it?

Nice contradiction in terms.

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

Tomorrow, Sunday, July 29th for one. There will be others in the future before the voting is up. Why? Have you finally changed your mind, done your research and decided to vote yes?

NO I want the free lunch.

 

[Prop2Jet]

George You're Such A Monkey Dee Dow!

 

[indianboy7]

When and where are they going to find the time to eat their new crew meal?

Are we going to delay the flight so we all can eat?

They're gonna eat it in front of the passengers.....

Yes, delay the flight.

We had the same questions a couple years ago where I work about the same situation. We had started 8 leg days with no breaks. The company started giving crew meals to avoid flight delays. They also changed the FA eating policy from no eating to "don't chew with your mouth open in front of passengers."

I always give my FA's the option of getting off the plane and eating at a table or eating in the plane in front of the passengers. I've also delayed flights in order to get my crew a decent meal, and haven't heard a peep from anyone.

We can't be slaves to the company. If you're a captain, treat the crew right and offer them time to eat...they'll probably not speak up if they're hungry. If you're an FO or FA, speak up when you need a break and if your captain decides to be an A-hole, just walk off the airplane and come back when you're properly fed.

I'd love to see what the FAA has to say if any company starts offering discipline to crewmembers for delaying flights for food (union or no union)......

 

[Kream926]

it will be like a hunger strike, except the complete opposite

 

[Beech Balls]

I am of the opinion that when I sign that release concerning our "fit-to fly" status, it has EVERYTHING to do with that IM SAFE acronym. And I stick to it.
If my FO says he or she's hungry, then, that's it. We go inside and sit down and eat something decent. Company be damned. At the same time, I know that if we leave 20 mins late, we can still make up the time, and we're feeling better and more refreshed and SAFER, instead of doing 15 minute turns all 6 or 7 legs of a hot-damned-day.

 

[B-J-J Fighter]

There was an IAH cpt that delayed a flight to get something to eat.It was just a few days later Mr. TB from CJC world headquarters called and threatened him with his job.

 

[fischman]

The only Q400 outfit in the US is Horizon. They have pretty good rates. Colgan came in with bottom of the barrel pay. Why?

Big insult.

Here is me question??

Colgan says it has above average employees. Then why pay us below average wages?

Because you have no union.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Lets do the math. Why can't the FA's bring their own food like the pilots do?

Why should anyone have to?

When and where are they going to find the time to eat their new crew meal?

Any damn time I please.......thank you

Are we going to delay the flight so we all can eat?

Damn skippy....

The USW, the same Union that the PCL FA's have is going around talking to the Colgan FA's.
This is a preemptive strike by Colgan Management. If the USW was not talking to Colgan FA's NONE of this would have be going on. Open your eyes people.

I'd like to add.........don't pick up what they're shovelin'