Colgan Contract

[caneylane]

Anyone recieve any court papers lately? I intend on fighting these people till the bitter end. Anyone with any similar info, please PM me.

Thanks,
Caney

 

[Mr Wu]

You signed a contract and broke it. Man up of your word means sh!t.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

just curious. why did you knowingly sign a contract you didnt intend to keep

 

[caneylane]

Sidepillow,

Thanks for asking like a civilized human being before posting some idiotic, tough guy, man of my word post. I was not told at the time of signing that I would not feel safe in their aircraft. I was not told I would be driving around with 6 to 7 MELs daily. I was not told that block times would be changed tokeep me legal for a little while longer to cover their planes that were broken around the system. I was not told that the seniority bidding system, was not about seniority at all, it was about whatever they wanted to do. I was not told that 80% of my class would be gone within a year for all of these same reasons. I would rather be unemployed than sell my soul like so many others in this industry have.​

 

[BRA]

Sidepillow,

Thanks for asking like a civilized human being before posting some idiotic, tough guy, man of my word post. I was not told at the time of signing that I would not feel safe in their aircraft. I was not told I would be driving around with 6 to 7 MELs daily. I was not told that block times would be changed tokeep me legal for a little while longer to cover their planes that were broken around the system. I was not told that the seniority bidding system, was not about seniority at all, it was about whatever they wanted to do. I was not told that 80% of my class would be gone within a year for all of these same reasons. I would rather be unemployed than sell my soul like so many others in this industry have.​

80%? Must have been a beech 1900 class.

 

[BSkin]

Sidepillow,

Thanks for asking like a civilized human being before posting some idiotic, tough guy, man of my word post. I was not told at the time of signing that I would not feel safe in their aircraft. I was not told I would be driving around with 6 to 7 MELs daily. I was not told that block times would be changed tokeep me legal for a little while longer to cover their planes that were broken around the system. I was not told that the seniority bidding system, was not about seniority at all, it was about whatever they wanted to do. I was not told that 80% of my class would be gone within a year for all of these same reasons. I would rather be unemployed than sell my soul like so many others in this industry have.​

Welcome to the real world of aviation, Caney. To get anywhere you have to start in the dredges. Many folks have passed through the Colgan line and moved up. You sound like one of the many more that want to sidestep to another job, only to be in the right seat of an RJ for 5-7 years. Crap is abound at CJC, but if you suck it up, get you're quick 121 PIC time, and don't let Donny or any of the others talk you into losing your ticket (or worse), you'll be a better man, and a better pilot for it. No matter what anyone else says, 121 PIC should be your goal right now!

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Thanks for asking like a civilized human being before posting some idiotic, tough guy, man of my word post. I was not told at the time of signing that I would not feel safe in their aircraft. I was not told I would be driving around with 6 to 7 MELs daily. I was not told that block times would be changed tokeep me legal for a little while longer to cover their planes that were broken around the system. I was not told that the seniority bidding system, was not about seniority at all, it was about whatever they wanted to do. I was not told that 80% of my class would be gone within a year for all of these same reasons. I would rather be unemployed than sell my soul like so many others in this industry have.


doesnt every regional do all that? ​

 

[CoolSidePillow]

so where did you end up going if you dont mind me asking

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Hey Bskin how long were you in for ?

 

[Mr Biggelsworth]

.......... No joy on the contract

 

[Sam Snead]

If Dispatch and or/Manassas thinks they can push you around, they will.

As a captain one of the hard parts about working at a fly-by-night regional is that you are often put in a tough position.

The only trick is that when you say no, you have to be sure. You have to be able to back it up with facts/and or regs. You may have to remind them that the 1900 is not a 200 ton airplane.

Case in point: Boston was reporting winds straight down the runway, but at 41 knots steady with slight gusts. NOREASTER.

Of course, without the slightest consultation, the release came through the computer and printed out. As with any tough situation, it was LEGAL to go: there was no x-wind maxima exceeded, and as I recall at the time there was no company maxima for sustained or gusts!

I told the dispatcher that my limit in the 1900 was 40 knots steady, and I left it at that. Never heard one peep.

You see, had I just mumbled and gone ahead, I would have been aloft 20 minutes after that.

Anybody think it's a good idea to fly the 1900 in that kind of weather? At night?

I remember this as a good decision on my part, and I did it alone, without the help (yeah right) of the company, of which the Dispatcher is supposed to be 50% responsible for safe dispatch (yeah right, try irresponsible)

Rant over!

 

[climbhappy]

yada, yada yada,

caneylane,

we could sit hear all day and debate colgan operational practices...

but, they could get a default judgment against you for failure to pay. you signed and didn't perform. it could end up being on your personal credit.

check it out. they agreed to trian you in exchange for your gaurantee to provide services for 12 months. that is the extent of your agreement.

In sum, you don't have a leg to stand on as far as the argument. I would offer them 30 cents on the dollar and set up a payment plan. if they say no. then if you have all this documented as far as your allegations, then drop a dime on them with the fed. get some other pilots who agree with you and start a class action suit. takes about six people... sue them for wreckless endangerment....

fortunately, i left right after the year was up. they did keep my week of vacation pay. it was less than 1000 dolllars...small claim. would have cost that much to fight it.

all this offered at a cost of 2 cents. ( i am not authorized to practice law in any state)

 

[Kaman]

Caney,
I don't think that you get the option of changing the rules in the middle of the game. If you signed the contract then you are obligated to fulfill your end of the deal or suffer the consequences. I can understand some of your concerns, but you reflect an image of inexperience that doesn't match your total time.
Colgan has some operational problems, but I think that you would be hard-pressed to find airlines without problems. We are flying around older airplanes that get a lot of cycles put on them and you are going to have maint. issues. I've NEVER flown an airplane at CJC that I felt was unsafe, nor was I ever pressured to do so without raising a BS flag and not going. Typically, this is for Special Flight Permit operations. 6 or 7 MELs? This is not a problem unless the MEL affects your operation; icing, pressurization, short runway, etc...come to mind. This is where the level of knowledge and experience of the Captain comes in as well as his understanding of Command authority and judgement.
Perhaps you should go and get on with a 135 cargo outfit with the same mind-set that you have now. I can assure you that you wouldn't last a week. Or, maybe the military is your cup o' tea. I've been there and done that plus interest. CJC is a cakewalk compared to flying a beat up Seneca single pilot IFR or flying night vision googles in the Saudi desert in combat conditions.
If you really want to be a pilot, then I think you need to grow up and get a pair, because if you roll over this easy and want to find the "shiny jet" have at it. Got a taste of that too, and it ain't all what it's cracked up to be.

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead

 

[chperplt]

Anybody think it's a good idea to fly the 1900 in that kind of weather? At night?

What's wrong with landing in Boston with the winds at 41 and gusting off the nose?

 

[BSkin]

What's wrong with landing in Boston with the winds at 41 and gusting off the nose?

I was just wondering the same thing, hell, we probably did together Chper!

 

[BSkin]

Hey Bskin how long were you in for ?

Started in March '00, quit in May '02 (Vanguard), came back in August '02, left in May '04 for Citrus.

 

[chperplt]

I was just wondering the same thing, hell, we probably did together Chper!

I'm sure we had many nights like that...Headwind, crosswind, tailwind... You need the skills to do it all up there.

 

[YMICFI]

Winds at 41?

"Case in point: Boston was reporting winds straight down the runway, but at 41 knots steady with slight gusts. NOREASTER."

What exactly is the problem here? I think that happens at least once a month there. How about RKD, AUG and BHB in the same conditions, yet 20+ degrees off the runway. Now that's FUN! No questions you have to know what the a/c will/won't do. But the mighty Beech can do a lot. Also, you do have to know how to fly if you're flying the Beech in the Northeast.

 

[chperplt]

I told the dispatcher that my limit in the 1900 was 40 knots steady, and I left it at that. Never heard one peep.

You see, had I just mumbled and gone ahead, I would have been aloft 20 minutes after that.

Anybody think it's a good idea to fly the 1900 in that kind of weather? At night?

I remember this as a good decision on my part, and I did it alone, without the help (yeah right) of the company, of which the Dispatcher is supposed to be 50% responsible for safe dispatch (yeah right, try irresponsible)

Rant over!

Sam,

I've read this post of yours 3 or 4 times now, and I'm still not seeing what is unsafe about the planned flight. You're not being asked to violate any company regs, aircraft limits, or FARs. As an ATP, you should be able to handle winds and weather up to the aircrafts limitations.

In this specific case, where was your dispatcher 50% irresponsible? You're flying in the North Eastern United States with some pretty bad weather. Day or night, windy or calm, you should have the skills to fly an airplane within it's limits and get to and from Boston safely.

 

[BRA]

Exactly, strap on your beechcraft and lets get busy. Could you picture how many times the F bomb made an appearance in manassas that day? Anyone ever call scheduling or dispatch and notice how many times you hear the F bomb in the background conversation? That, and the phrase "they can just MEL that"

 

[YMICFI]

Unsafe???!!!

"Sam,

I've read this post of yours 3 or 4 times now, and I'm still not seeing what is unsafe about the planned flight. You're not being asked to violate any company regs, aircraft limits, or FARs. As an ATP, you should be able to handle winds and weather up to the aircrafts limitations.

In this specific case, where was your dispatcher 50% irresponsible? You're flying in the North Eastern United States with some pretty bad weather. Day or night, windy or calm, you should have the skills to fly an airplane within it's limits and get to and from Boston safely."

Exactly. Maybe he should be flying something with autopilot in a fantasy land with clear skies, calm winds and 12,000 foot runways everywhere. As BRA said, strap on that Beech and ride into the sunset there, Sam.

 

[Kaman]

Giddy up'!!!! If you are going to strap on the Mighty Beech make sure you have your gun's loaded!

 

[chperplt]

Giddy up'!!!! If you are going to strap on the Mighty Beech make sure you have your gun's loaded!

Doesn't Jeb issue one to every new Cowboy??

 

[Kaman]

Yeah... I just bought a new 10-gallon hat and some chaps to go with the six-shooters...

We recently added placards to remove your spurs before entering the cockpit, and I just took out a subscription to Justin. Anyway, how is the MD-80 treating you? I think alot of CJC guys are interested in your outfit out there. Sounds like they have a pretty good strategic plan with the flying in Orlando and Vegas.

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

Sidepillow,

Thanks for asking like a civilized human being before posting some idiotic, tough guy, man of my word post. I was not told at the time of signing that I would not feel safe in their aircraft. I was not told I would be driving around with 6 to 7 MELs daily. I was not told that block times would be changed tokeep me legal for a little while longer to cover their planes that were broken around the system. I was not told that the seniority bidding system, was not about seniority at all, it was about whatever they wanted to do. I was not told that 80% of my class would be gone within a year for all of these same reasons. I would rather be unemployed than sell my soul like so many others in this industry have.​

WHat a GIRL! I hope they sue you and take your money. 6 or 7 MEL's lol. Yeah right I haven't seen a plane with more than 5. WHA WHA I can't fly because my DME doesn't work. Wha Wha I can't fly because my autopilot doesn't work. Captain I am scared this plane is unsafe the flight attendants call button doesnt work and one of the overhead bins doesnt close properly. Do us all a favor and come back from fantasy land have fun wherever you are sitting in the right seat until you are 45. Go flight instruct in Florida or teach a class at Embry -Riddle. I am really sick and tired of these friggin Embry Riddle panzi's complaining all over this message board. I don't get paid enough my union blah blah blah shut the hell up. Grow up stop shaving your balls and welcome to the real world.
-Jimmy Dolittle

 

[chperplt]

We're doing well.... even after BRA joined the party. Good amount of growth and quick upward movement!

If wind scares you, Vegas isn't the place to come and fly!!

 

[chperplt]

I am really sick and tired of these friggin Embry Riddle panzi's complaining all over this message board

And we're sick and tired of you blowing crap out of your mouth everytime you open it up..

 

[BRA]

We're doing well.... even after BRA joined the party. Good amount of growth and quick upward movement!

If wind scares you, Vegas isn't the place to come and fly!!

yeah, again, lick my balls. Watch the ERAU blasts, chperplt and I are both from there. And we were two of the biggest outlaws to have ever strapped on a colgan beechcraft.

 

[Prop2Jet]

Dang George !!!! hahahah. Dee Dow!

Ok, man you have some valid points, everyone does. Point being its a contract finish it and then leave. Think about the other airlines you will interview with. What will they think about you? Will you leave them too if the utility bus breaks and you can't get your coffee?

If you feel like your life is in danger then don't fly it. As simple as that. But back it up.....What's the worst that could happen, you get fired? Released from your contract then? Who knows...

Its not as bad as you think man and the grass is always greener on the other side.. Stick it out and finish your commitment, its not like your kicking in doors in Iraq and being shot at.

 

[chperplt]

yeah, again, lick my balls. Watch the ERAU blasts, chperplt and I are both from there. And we were two of the biggest outlaws to have ever strapped on a colgan beechcraft.

Your avatar is beginning to look more and more like you these days...



Tell the Colgans you'll send them enough money for 5 #1s and 2 #2s each month until your contract is paid up... I'm sure they'll work with you. Might need to upsize and add onion rings, but they will go for it.