JoeMerchant
ASA pilot
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Absolute refusal to compromise during the PID discussions. There has to be give and take on both sides. I'll defer specifics to Occam since he was actually there during that BOD.
Actually it wasn't at a BOD, it was an EB..... I guess you don't really know as much as you claim... you weren't there were you? You might want to get the CMR/ASA side of it also....
PCL_128 said:Many regional pilots expect mainline MECs to sacrifice unbelievable amounts of negotiating capital to achieve a pure single list with full integration. When these pilots are told that there might be a long-term fence as part of the deal (similar to former Republic pilots fenced out of the widebodies for years at NWA), then those pilots get pissed and demand an immediate and complete integration without fences, and of course, they refuse to consider the idea of a staple. This simply takes too much negotiating capital (not to mention that it's just ridiculous for a 20-year MSA or PCL Captain to think that he deserves an A320 Captain seat at NWA). We have to think outside of the box on this and come up with a phased integration that won't require as much negotiating capital to achieve.
Many mainline pilots feel as if they should have super-seniority over their regional counterparts... That isn't right either.... I don't think I should bump a 767 pilot out of his seat, why does a mainline pilot think he should flow back to the top of an RJ or ATR list? That is a double standard.... Why did American and CAL flowbacks go to the top of the regional list?
PCL_128 said:There hasn't been an official vote on requesting an actual PID. The conversations I had with the NWA reps were in reference to accomplishing this later on down the road, not immediately in reference to the scope grievance. I suspect that the scope grievance will be settled by recouping some of the concessions.
Here is what NuGuy said:
"Too bad the MEC just put off the single carrier resolution at the MEC meeting. That would have rattled some cages in Eagan."
PCL_128 said:I don't much care about what mistakes have been made over the past 12 years. Those mistakes have been made, and it's time to move on. (I would go back further, by the way. The scope mistakes started when the first RJ appeared at a feeder carrier) I'm not looking back at those mistakes. I'm looking towards the future and what we can do to fix the problems. Complaining about the past and filing lawsuits will accomplish nothing. Talking with mainline MECs, building bridges and relationships, and thinking outside of the box is the way to go. I'll be doing that while you're whining and complaining and sending checks to that hack Haber.
You need to learn from the mistakes of the past if you are going to prevent the same mistakes from being made in the future. You keep building those bridges and let me know how that works out for you.....
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