Colgan ALPA Election Dates Set!

[Fred Rogers]

Just got an email that says the Colgan ALPA vote is going to be from November 24th to December 17th.
:beer:

Vote Early and Vote Often!!!

www.alpa.org/colgan
Let's Make it Better!

 

[Snaab]

Good deal, let's take care of business this time around! To anyone who reads this and works at Colgan: don't just assume that it will pass and your vote doesn't really matter- it DOES. Last year, we missed ALPA by 4 stinking votes. We needed 155 and we got 151. To come that close and miss the boat was a tough pill to swallow.

I want Colgan FO's to understand something: if push comes to shove regarding an incident/accident, etc., you don't have a contract or any protection- period. (I'm not minimizing anyone in mgmt, etc., by the way.) But this is just a fact. I think most of us have worked hard enough, making not enough, only to be at the Company's whim when a situation arises. You need an advocate that protects you, your certificate, medical, and your job.

 

[WayBack]

Before you vote, make sure you talk to current ALPA members. See how they truely feel about ALPA.

 

[siucavflight]

Before you vote, make sure you talk to current ALPA members. See how they truely feel about ALPA.

I think better yet, talk to current Colgan pilots and see how they feel. Colgan is not Skywest, Skywest pilots are treated very good by management, Colgan is a whole different animal.

 

[WayBack]

I think better yet, talk to current Colgan pilots and see how they feel. Colgan is not Skywest, Skywest pilots are treated very good by management, Colgan is a whole different animal.

We all know how they're treated. ALPA just isn't the answer to everything.

 

[DoinTime]

pray tell what is the answer to everything?

 

[siucavflight]

We all know how they're treated. ALPA just isn't the answer to everything.

So what should they do to help themselves out? Not giving you a hard time, just very curious what you believe they could do to better their present lot? When I was at Eagle I was glad to have ALPA looking out for my interest, AMR would shove it so far up our butts if they could. Looking at the aircraft you have flown in your profile I believe that you worked at SkyWest, you are luck to have a management in place that understands your worth and treats you guys well, some of your fellow pilots are not so fortunate, so for them ALPA may be the answer.

 

[J and E's Daddy]

ALPA
In 2003, ALPA got my job back after a wrongful termination.
In 2005, the helped me get my medical back after a freak accident almost cost me my eye sight.
Without ALPA, I would have had a termination on my record and no medical today.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Every time I want to complain about my lot on life, I think about my life at Colgan where I had no protection at all. I usually just think, well, I could still be at Colgan.

If you don't like living with ALPA, try living without ALPA.

 

[PCL_128]

If you don't like living with ALPA, try living without ALPA.

Beautiful! I've found my new signature line.

 

[Dubya]

Good deal, let's take care of business this time around! To anyone who reads this and works at Colgan: don't just assume that it will pass and your vote doesn't really matter- it DOES. Last year, we missed ALPA by 4 stinking votes. We needed 155 and we got 151. To come that close and miss the boat was a tough pill to swallow.

I want Colgan FO's to understand something: if push comes to shove regarding an incident/accident, etc., you don't have a contract or any protection- period. (I'm not minimizing anyone in mgmt, etc., by the way.) But this is just a fact. I think most of us have worked hard enough, making not enough, only to be at the Company's whim when a situation arises. You need an advocate that protects you, your certificate, medical, and your job.

Ahhh..the ole' ALPA fear mongering. Classic.

I want Colgan FO's to understand something....you can defend yourself in ANY situation...without ALPA.
Do you want to give your money away every paycheck? Or just when something goes awry?

2% every paycheck....or pay for a lawyer when the time comes.

W

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Ahhh..the ole' ALPA fear mongering. Classic.

I want Colgan FO's to understand something....you can defend yourself in ANY situation...without ALPA.
Do you want to give your money away every paycheck? Or just when something goes awry?

2% every paycheck....or pay for a lawyer when the time comes.

W

So are you advocating the each individual pilot put money aside each month to pay for a lawyer if/when one is needed? If so how much? 1%? 10%?

Can you provide a list a comparable labor lawyers? I am sure five days is adequate for you to post a list of three lawyers in the Manassas and Memphis area.

Even lawyers that need representation get lawyers. Why are Colgan pilots special?

 

[PCL_128]

Ahhh..the ole' ALPA fear mongering. Classic.

I want Colgan FO's to understand something....you can defend yourself in ANY situation...without ALPA.
Do you want to give your money away every paycheck? Or just when something goes awry?

2% every paycheck....or pay for a lawyer when the time comes.

W

A lawyer isn't going to get your medical back within 24 hours when you bust an EKG. A lawyer isn't going to be on call 24 hours a day for when you slide off the end of an icy runway and total an airplane. A lawyer isn't going to collectively bargain for their entire group and finally get them the work rules that they deserve. A lawyer isn't going to help them when Pinnacle management mergers the lists and the Colgan pilots need someone to represent their interests.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

As an ALPA rep I've seen guys so shopping for "labor" lawyers. When the pilot in trouble says RLA, the 'labor' lawyer starts thinking about outsourcing...

I recall one pilot who screwed himself and hired a "slick gold watch, cuff link" labor lawyer.....

Our ALPA lawyer called him to discuss how this case would effect our CBA and all pilots... the Slick Lawyer started out talking tough but by the end of the call he was just listening to our ALPA lawyer saying 'ugh huh, ugh huh' as we heard him taking notes....

Talk about getting schooled!......




Are ALPA lawyers perfect? Heck no... they can be too conservative... and sometimes they will tell a pilot to take his loses cause the pilot screwed up big time...

Just like a check ride failure... you've heard those guys... who failed rides... everything was not their fault... it was the sim, the sim partner, the examiner, the humidity... etc....

So goes the pilot that screwed up and claims the ALPA lawyer sold him out....

Yeah, you can have your "outside labor lawyers" only to pay for their luxury watches, girlfriends, cars, houses, and girlfriend apartments.......

 

[Mr Wu]

I want Colgan FO's to understand something....you can defend yourself in ANY situation...without ALPA.

A year's worth of dues for a first year Colgan FO is around $200. Call a lawyer and make an appointment, ask him how much that first appointment is going to cost you.