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Smoking Man
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I ask myself this same question every so often. At 24 and single it is not a "problem" yet present day although one day I am sure I will seriously try to answer this question without a doubt in my mind. God speed to these guys and may God Bless you Chperplt and the entire Colgan family at this trying and painful time. I sure hope they come up with a solution to this control problem since it sure seems very similiar to the CLT crash.
Chperplt- next time in LAS the first few rounds are on me.
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wasn't Tellman was it?
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I knew the captain...he was in my new hire class at Colgan in 2001.
I was just this morning looking through some old photos I took during indoc training. Scott was in the picture as well as some other guys that are no longer with Colgan. I couldn't remember his name...that was just this morning...now I totally feel guilty.
I didn't get a chance to fly with him - he was on the 1900 and I was on the Saab - but I spent alot of time with him during indoc. He had a car and we all rode around with him to dinner and about Manassas. I remember him telling me about his girlfriend. I wish her and his family the best.
I was just this morning looking through some old photos I took during indoc training. Scott was in the picture as well as some other guys that are no longer with Colgan. I couldn't remember his name...that was just this morning...now I totally feel guilty.
I didn't get a chance to fly with him - he was on the 1900 and I was on the Saab - but I spent alot of time with him during indoc. He had a car and we all rode around with him to dinner and about Manassas. I remember him telling me about his girlfriend. I wish her and his family the best.
mar
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A Helen Keller quote:
Helen Keller once said, "Life is a daring adventure or nothing at all."
I'm not trying to suggest that what we do is, by any stretch, laughing at Death in the face, but there are certain risks and it would be remiss not to keep those risks in the front of one's brain every time we turn an engine.
My thoughts are with the crew's friends and family tonight.
Peace everyone.
Helen Keller once said, "Life is a daring adventure or nothing at all."
I'm not trying to suggest that what we do is, by any stretch, laughing at Death in the face, but there are certain risks and it would be remiss not to keep those risks in the front of one's brain every time we turn an engine.
My thoughts are with the crew's friends and family tonight.
Peace everyone.
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This little bit was read at a family members funeral a while back. At the time I didn't know what to make of it with all the emotions running around my head. I kept it my wallet and the more I read it the more powerful it became (IMHO). It sounds like many of you knew these two pilots very well, my condolences to you and their families. I hope this doesn't offend anyone, this quote brought me a little comfort when things were bad.
“To laugh often and much, to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and faithful friends; to appreciate the beauty; to find the best in others; to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you lived…this is to have succeeded.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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“To laugh often and much, to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and faithful friends; to appreciate the beauty; to find the best in others; to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you lived…this is to have succeeded.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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YARMOUTH, Mass., 12:12 a.m. EDT August 27, 2003 - Colgan Air officials have identified the two men aboard a commuter plane that crashed off Cape Cod Tuesday. The plane with no passengers crashed after the crew reported an emergency and tried to return to the airport, authorities said. The pilots are presumed dead.
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SLIDESHOW: Commuter Plane Crash
VIDEO: Pilots Presumed Dead
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They're identified as 39-year-old Capt. Scott Knabe, of Cincinnati, and 38-year-old 1st Officer Steven Dean, of Euless, Texas. Knabe and Dean have not been recovered. The search for their bodies was suspended at around 7:30 p.m. It was scheduled to resume Wednesday morning.
"We are attempting to recover whatever bodies we can," said Mark Foley, a spokesman for the Yarmouth Fire Department. "The rescue ceased when it became apparent there were no survivors."
The Federal Aviation Administration said the Colgan Air crew declared an emergency shortly after takeoff and was returning to land when the plane went down about 3 miles off the coast around 4 p.m. The plane was a Beechcraft 1900 (examples pictured, below), which seats 19 passengers, the FAA said.
The pilots were on a routine flight to return the plane to the airport in Albany, N.Y., Colgan Air spokeswoman Mary Finnegan said. Colgan Air, based in Manassas, Va., is a carrier for US Airways Express. Will Crocker, of radio station WQRC in Hyannis, reported that the plane was recently reconditioned.
Rescue crews could be seen searching about 100 yards off Great Island, an exclusive gated residential community in West Yarmouth. A section of what appeared to be the plane's tail could be seen just below the water. Coast Guard Petty Officer Amy Thomas told News Channel 10 that the fuselage was located in 20 feet of water.
Joel Finley, 30, was in a plane scheduled to take off directly after the Beechcraft and said he saw the plane's tail flutter shortly after takeoff. He said he heard the pilot say in radio transmissions with the control tower that he had lost "trim." The trim on the plane's tail helps it stay level, he said.
"He banked left, and we lost sight of him. We were listening to the whole thing on the radio. We heard the tower say he fell off the radar screen," Finley said.
Colgan Air provides service to 31 cities and 11 states on the East Coast. It has hubs in Boston, New York, Pittsburgh and Washington.
In a statement issued Tuesday night from the airlines' office in Manassas, Va., Colgan President Mike Colgan said the company is devastated and saddened by the loss of Knabe and Dean. Knabe joined Colgan in 2001 as a first officer. He was upgraded to captain last January and was based in Hyannis. Dean was hired by Colgan in 2002. He also was based in Hyannis.
According to FAA data, there have been three fatal crashes involving Beech 1900D aircraft since 1998, including the one that killed 21 people in Charlotte, N.C., in January. That aircraft was also operating under the US Airways Express name.
The twin-engine turboprop plane crashed shortly after takeoff from the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport. Investigators have focused on the maintenance procedures of an outside contractor.
Stay with News Channel 10 and turnto10.com for continuing coverage of this story.
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SLIDESHOW: Commuter Plane Crash
VIDEO: Pilots Presumed Dead
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They're identified as 39-year-old Capt. Scott Knabe, of Cincinnati, and 38-year-old 1st Officer Steven Dean, of Euless, Texas. Knabe and Dean have not been recovered. The search for their bodies was suspended at around 7:30 p.m. It was scheduled to resume Wednesday morning.
"We are attempting to recover whatever bodies we can," said Mark Foley, a spokesman for the Yarmouth Fire Department. "The rescue ceased when it became apparent there were no survivors."
The Federal Aviation Administration said the Colgan Air crew declared an emergency shortly after takeoff and was returning to land when the plane went down about 3 miles off the coast around 4 p.m. The plane was a Beechcraft 1900 (examples pictured, below), which seats 19 passengers, the FAA said.
The pilots were on a routine flight to return the plane to the airport in Albany, N.Y., Colgan Air spokeswoman Mary Finnegan said. Colgan Air, based in Manassas, Va., is a carrier for US Airways Express. Will Crocker, of radio station WQRC in Hyannis, reported that the plane was recently reconditioned.
Rescue crews could be seen searching about 100 yards off Great Island, an exclusive gated residential community in West Yarmouth. A section of what appeared to be the plane's tail could be seen just below the water. Coast Guard Petty Officer Amy Thomas told News Channel 10 that the fuselage was located in 20 feet of water.
Joel Finley, 30, was in a plane scheduled to take off directly after the Beechcraft and said he saw the plane's tail flutter shortly after takeoff. He said he heard the pilot say in radio transmissions with the control tower that he had lost "trim." The trim on the plane's tail helps it stay level, he said.
"He banked left, and we lost sight of him. We were listening to the whole thing on the radio. We heard the tower say he fell off the radar screen," Finley said.
Colgan Air provides service to 31 cities and 11 states on the East Coast. It has hubs in Boston, New York, Pittsburgh and Washington.
In a statement issued Tuesday night from the airlines' office in Manassas, Va., Colgan President Mike Colgan said the company is devastated and saddened by the loss of Knabe and Dean. Knabe joined Colgan in 2001 as a first officer. He was upgraded to captain last January and was based in Hyannis. Dean was hired by Colgan in 2002. He also was based in Hyannis.
According to FAA data, there have been three fatal crashes involving Beech 1900D aircraft since 1998, including the one that killed 21 people in Charlotte, N.C., in January. That aircraft was also operating under the US Airways Express name.
The twin-engine turboprop plane crashed shortly after takeoff from the Charlotte-Douglas International Airport. Investigators have focused on the maintenance procedures of an outside contractor.
Stay with News Channel 10 and turnto10.com for continuing coverage of this story.
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S Knabe, & S Dean
To everyone!!!
Yes, both these fellows were my friends. Have quite a bit of time with them. Let's not forget what's important here. Two families are grieving. Having been flying out of Hyannis Mon - Thurs, I saw it all. I landed there from LaGuardia 45 minutes after it happened, not knowing it had happened -- until the nicest ramp agent you ever want to know ( Jessica for those who know ), came up to my plane and said she needed to talk to me. After all the pax were off she got onboard, closed the door and practically collapsed while telling us the news. Colgan in Hyannis is a pretty close knit bunch. The gate /ramp agents, the pilots as well as the maintainers all are friends, especially now!
We all know what the initial speculation is, and yes, that is hugely important. But I have a suggestion -- For all us pilots out there, who love what we're doing, think about your family. Tell your wife, girlfriend, husband, boyfriend, kids, parents, friends -- whomever -- that you love them each and every time you leave. You never know when something can happen.
God bless Scott and Steve, and their families.
Bryan Skinner
BE-1900 Capt.
Colgan Air
To everyone!!!
Yes, both these fellows were my friends. Have quite a bit of time with them. Let's not forget what's important here. Two families are grieving. Having been flying out of Hyannis Mon - Thurs, I saw it all. I landed there from LaGuardia 45 minutes after it happened, not knowing it had happened -- until the nicest ramp agent you ever want to know ( Jessica for those who know ), came up to my plane and said she needed to talk to me. After all the pax were off she got onboard, closed the door and practically collapsed while telling us the news. Colgan in Hyannis is a pretty close knit bunch. The gate /ramp agents, the pilots as well as the maintainers all are friends, especially now!
We all know what the initial speculation is, and yes, that is hugely important. But I have a suggestion -- For all us pilots out there, who love what we're doing, think about your family. Tell your wife, girlfriend, husband, boyfriend, kids, parents, friends -- whomever -- that you love them each and every time you leave. You never know when something can happen.
God bless Scott and Steve, and their families.
Bryan Skinner
BE-1900 Capt.
Colgan Air
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Thanks for saying that Bryan
This week has put alot of things into perspective for all of us. I last saw Scott over the weekend on the ramp in BOS. He'd walk across 200 yards of ramp to say hi in any weather. He had to be one of the nicest guys at Colgan. He was an excellent captain and teacher. Steve was my classmate. He was serious and skilled. Had had an economy with his language that would astound most of us. When he spoke, it was important. I will miss him at BK in the morning.
I wish I could have been in Hyannis this week. Being far removed from the situation has been painfull. As we go ahead, I hope we have learned that we need to appreciate eachother the way "Professor Positive" did. My thoughts and prayers are with each of the families.
Steve Daly
This week has put alot of things into perspective for all of us. I last saw Scott over the weekend on the ramp in BOS. He'd walk across 200 yards of ramp to say hi in any weather. He had to be one of the nicest guys at Colgan. He was an excellent captain and teacher. Steve was my classmate. He was serious and skilled. Had had an economy with his language that would astound most of us. When he spoke, it was important. I will miss him at BK in the morning.
I wish I could have been in Hyannis this week. Being far removed from the situation has been painfull. As we go ahead, I hope we have learned that we need to appreciate eachother the way "Professor Positive" did. My thoughts and prayers are with each of the families.
Steve Daly
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