Colgan 3407 Down in Buffalo

[IBNAV8R]

why doesn't everyone just let this come out the way it'll come out instead of speculating....ya'll don't know so shut your traps. I'm not one to speculate anything anyhow about it.

(directed at the idea and not the poster)

I suppose if I had your skill and luck, I wouldn't speculate or try to reason how I might avoid a similar accident either.

 

[firstthird]

the ntsb has done more speculating and putting out bad info than any anonymous poster on flightinfo. there is something to be said for letting the process work, but that line of argument has more application when the NTSB spokesman isn't diving for microphones and cameras every chance he gets, Chealander, I'm talking about you. although I did hear he is leaving the NTSB, not sure where he is headed though.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

Does anyone have any idea when a preliminary report will come out on this accident?

 

[firstthird]

Normally that would be the kind of info that an NTSB spokesman would put out but this one seems too busy giving interviews about his fascinating time as a thunderbird, or whatever.

and to answer your question, no, usually it is a few months at least, I think, with final report a year or so if they have everything they think they need.

 

[Donsa320]

the ntsb has done more speculating and putting out bad info than any anonymous poster on flightinfo. there is something to be said for letting the process work, but that line of argument has more application when the NTSB spokesman isn't diving for microphones and cameras every chance he gets, Chealander, I'm talking about you. although I did hear he is leaving the NTSB, not sure where he is headed though.

He is going to Airbus Americas in MIA as a vice president. This from an announcement from the NTSB a few days ago. Hardly a secret to the thousands of us who subscribe to the NTSB releases.

 

[trainer8]

Chealander resigned.

Here is one link: http://www.airliners.net/latest_ind...es, including Continental Connection / Colgan...

 

[firstthird]

wonder if the airbus job is a great one or if he got asked to leave. either way, glad he is out of a safety sensitive position. his statements made the ntsb look like clowns. imo.

 

[skiandsurf]

wonder if the airbus job is a great one or if he got asked to leave. either way, glad he is out of a safety sensitive position. his statements made the ntsb look like clowns. imo.

I havent kept up with all of the press conferences, but I think the info out there will reassure the traveling public (at least me) that the Q400 is a safe airplane.

 

[firstthird]

but I think the info out there will reassure the traveling public (at least me) that the Q400 is a safe airplane

That isn't the NTSB's job, it is to make sure the flying public is safe. big difference. FAA is supposed to reign in the ideas that are not practical (spending 100 million to fix a maybe problem, e.g.)

The info put out was contradictory, premature, and wrong for the most part. Not sure how that reassures anyone.

 

[The Prussian]

why doesn't everyone just let this come out the way it'll come out instead of speculating....ya'll don't know so shut your traps. I'm not one to speculate anything anyhow about it.

Beech Balls...with all due respect, and I mean this in a positive way, many pilots come here to understand what possibly could have gone wrong, and how we, as professional aviators, might prevent such terrible occurrences from reoccurring.
Until the government issues its final report, I think many pilots would prefer not to stick their heads in the sand, and wait for the government's final assessment. Instead,they prefer to delve, sift through the possibilities, learn something about an aircraft that they may or may not have flown, and somehow pull some lessons from this sad story. The government has the tapes, the government has the FDR...they will probably issue a fairly good assessment of what actually happened.
In the mean time, I have no problem with open minded professionals discussing issues which directly relate to their jobs.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

In the mean time, I have no problem with open minded professionals discussing issues which directly relate to their jobs.

Second. IMHO This discussion is exactly what flightinfo.com is all about.

I know, I know, we all want to find out about how much Mesa sucks and which media outlet is slanted the most away what view.

But this is exactly what pilots have done for over 100 years now! It started on a beach, went to a field, then a hangar, and now we do it online. We're talking about planes.

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

In the mean time, I have no problem with open minded professionals discussing issues which directly relate to their jobs.

Second. IMHO This discussion is exactly what flightinfo.com is all about.

I know, I know, we all want to find out about how much Mesa sucks and which media outlet is slanted the most from whatever view.

But this is exactly what pilots have done for over 100 years now! It started on a beach, went to a field, then a hangar, and now we do it online. We're talking about planes.

 

[Singlecoil]

I would also guess that if the A/P was still engaged when the power was applied that it may not have been able to keep up with such a yaw.

It is a 2 axis autopilot; pitch and roll. Rudder is always manual.

 

[Donsa320]

Second. IMHO This discussion is exactly what flightinfo.com is all about.

I know, I know, we all want to find out about how much Mesa sucks and which media outlet is slanted the most from whatever view.

But this is exactly what pilots have done for over 100 years now! It started on a beach, went to a field, then a hangar, and now we do it online. We're talking about planes.

Again, good discussion is worthwhile. I'm guessing that more than a few on here have tried to learn more about their own airplanes as regards stick pushers, shakers and stall procedures. Maybe a few even dug out an AIM and looked at
the useable surface area of the ILS systems.
Fifty years ago when approach couplers were new, we had guys complaining about erratic occurances. Seems they were selecting approach mode way out on V-84 in the middle of Lake Michigan when approaching ORD. Lordy!
Expand your knowlege the best way you can.

 

[UndauntedFlyer]

It is a 2 axis autopilot; pitch and roll. Rudder is always manual.

If there is a yaw dampener then there is a yaw axis servo. Does the 400 have a yaw dampener?