Coincidence?

[Vector4fun]

We just had our third CRJ2 land with no/reduced flaps in about 14 hours. S'up??

 

[chperplt]

Probably checkride time and they wanted some practice...

 

[2000flyer]

Who's "we?"

 

[Vector4fun]

Who's "we?"

KAUS ATCT

 

[2000flyer]

Thanks

 

[SMOE]

Twice is a coincidence, three times is a trend...

 

[FL000]

We just had our third CRJ2 land with no/reduced flaps in about 14 hours. S'up??

Last leg home and in a hurry to get back for the festivities...needed faster approach.

 

[Vector4fun]

Well, the first two we rolled the equipment, (no flaps), the last went around and asked for a very long downwind to "check things out". Then came on in with "reduced flaps", but when I asked their target speed for my sequence, they said 170 ish, and insisted they didn't need the trucks. I probably see this once every few months, but three in less than a day was pretty strange.

Just for curiosity's sake, what speed are the tires good for, and how much runway do y'all need to feel comfortable with a 170 kt approach? We, of course had 12,000' to offer...

 

[FL000]

Just for curiosity's sake, what speed are the tires good for, and how much runway do y'all need to feel comfortable with a 170 kt approach? We, of course had 12,000' to offer...

Tires are good to 182kts. As far as length, we'll take all we can get, but 5000-6000 would do in a pinch.

 

[trip]

We practice these in the sim every 6 months and they are really not a big deal on 12k of runway. Throw in some wx and short runway, better roll the trucks! I have no idea why 3 in a day though? they are not a common malfunction.

 

[CarjCapt]

Tires are good to 182kts. As far as length, we'll take all we can get, but 5000-6000 would do in a pinch.

Yes that is unusual. Early in the days of the CRJ there were alot of Flap Fail msg and resulted in lots of no flap or reduced flap landings. With the some mods on the flaps and reduced flap extention speeds that seem to reduce the number of failures. I'm guessing that three today with the number of aircraft out there and number of landings per day that isn't much in the scheme of things.

While the longer the runway the better I found that the CRJ performed well with reduced flaps. In 1994 we had a Flap Fail msg at 8 degrees (before the days of 8 degree flaps) to KATW. We landed on the 7001' runway and used abit less than 3500' with a ref speed of about 173 KIAS. It suprised us both that it was as easy as we experienced. It must have been the excellent training.

 

[minitour]

Does that kinda stuff get the pucker factor up or is it just another thing that you've done in training?

-mini

 

[GravityHater]

Do they make a cabin announcement?
Do the FA's prepare the cabin in any different way??

 

[minitour]

Do they make a cabin announcement?...

You mean something like:

"Ladies and gentlemen, I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I've only got 500 hours in this thing and it's gonna be a different landing to say the least. The good news is I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geiko. Again, we'd like to thank you for flying with us today...we know you have a choice in your airline...looks like you made the wrong one. Flight attendants prepare the cabin for landing...again."

?

-mini

 

[Vik]

Oh man, thats too funny.

You mean something like:

"Ladies and gentlemen, I have good news and bad news. The bad news is that I've only got 500 hours in this thing and it's gonna be a different landing to say the least. The good news is I just saved a bunch of money on my car insurance by switching to Geiko. Again, we'd like to thank you for flying with us today...we know you have a choice in your airline...looks like you made the wrong one. Flight attendants prepare the cabin for landing...again."

?

-mini