CoEx hiring!

[CrewDawg]

Has anyone heard how many pilot's CoEx is planning on hiring in 2004?

 

[BigDave]

It has been a long time since we could ask about this: What is the payscale for ExpressJet? Per diem? guarantee? Quality of Life? Any info would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

 

[FSB99]

not bad, and going to get a helluva lot better shortly.

 

[Ben Franklin]

There are better airlines out there than Continental Express. We all wanted to work there because of all of the new shiny jets that they were getting along time ago.

Now, just about all of the Continental Pilots are on their seniority list and all of them are senior jet captains with no signs of returning to Continental anytime soon.

So, with no new deliveries and all of those senior pilots stuck on the list, why would you even apply to such a stagnant company?

More room for us at a better airline, I guess.

Have fun being an F/O for 20 years.

COEX seniority list = the next American Eagle list.

 

[Heavy Set]

Hey Ben,

Continental is starting to show signs of improvement with new flights and some capacity added - callbacks could happen soon (although at a trickle in the short term). I know of couple of FOs who have Captain upgrade classes in the next few months. I wouldn't be that negative....

 

[ATRCA]

Your stats are little off Ben,

Only about 1/3rd of the Captians at XJT are CAL pilots and some will be recalled this yr. We are still taking 3 jets a month and have been for almost 3 yrs now. Thats more growth than some airlines will see in 10 years. BTW, 110 fo's will be upgrading as a result of our most recent bid, some were Captains before some were not.

I could care less if someone wants to come here or not, there will always be plenty of people lining up, but you should have your numbers straight before you spout off.

You seem a little bitter. Get turned down or something? Which airline that is hiring right now would be a better option for someone if XJT is such a sh$thole? Just curious.

 

[Bjet Driver]

We all wanted to work there

My guess it that Ben had a rough day in IAH.

Now, just about all of the Continental Pilots are on their seniority list

Wrong.

all of them are senior jet captains with no signs of returning to Continental anytime soon.

Wrong.

So, with no new deliveries

Wrong.

More room for us at a better airline, I guess.

You definitely don't belong here. Maybe Mesa is hiring.

 

[Ben Franklin]

When Coex files for chapter 7 reorganization bankruptcy in 5 years, you guys will all see what I am talking about.

I don't expect the idealistic, I am going to make my fortune flying puddle jumper jets, REGIONAL pilot to understand my advanced thinking.

I know some people that went to Coex and they are really unhappy with thier lifes in the airlines right about now.

They are wishing that they would have went to mesa or skywest so that they could be getting PIC time, like me and not sitting in the right seat of a jet pulling gear for a Continental SCAB who will be there until the end.

Maybe I got turned down by Coex, SO WHAT?

Coex will be gone in 5 years, just ask the Continental scab pilot sitting to the left of you in the cockpit on your next trip.

Are you ready to lose your job?

 

[NDPILOT]

I don't expect the idealistic, I am going to make my fortune flying puddle jumper jets, REGIONAL pilot to understand my advanced thinking.

Ben - that was a neat comment.. thanks for that. If you're such a well-established fortune teller, why are you in aviation? I'd expect to see you elsewhere, like the circus. Or maybe you could become JO's own personal palm reader... that would be cool huh??

 

[BigDave]

Ben Franklin, please stay out of this, if you want to vent your frustration do it somewhere else. This board is supposed to be used to pass information to pilots about specific questions they may have so we can be more informed about our profession.

Please can someone answer a few questions for us: What is the pay scale for ExpressJet? Per diem? guarantee? Quality of Life? And for CrewDawg: What are CoEx hiring plans for 2004?

Thanks

 

[hangar7guy]

I'm not even going to touch that last half dozen or so posts, but I just have one (serious) question: Would there be any hope at COEX for an older, 40-ish guy (with 4000TT/500ME/ATP ex-corporate/Pt 135 charter)? Or might there be some truth to the rumor that circulated during the last round of hiring that they favored the 20-somethings with less experience?

(This is *not* flame bait and no, I wasn't turned down. Just looking for straight opinions from those in the know. Thanks.)

 

[CrewDawg]

Well thanks to those of you trying to help.

-ben-
I never said that CoEx was the best out there, I was simply asking what there hiring plans were for next year. I have seen that other people have been posting planned hiring numbers for other companies, and I was just wodnering about CoEx. With the SCAB comments, obviously you have something against Contenintal Pilots. I do appreciate your insight on what you know about the company but I do not appreciate the manner in which you put it. I thought this is suppost to be a site to help people out no put them down.




Again thanks to those who are helping and I appreciate your responses.

 

[General Lee]

Ben,

I know some guys at COEX and they like the variety, the airplanes, and some just got reinstated as Capts on the jet. Yeah, the flowdown was a bummer for some, but it seems like things are getting better and that some of the CAL guys will be going back to CAL soon. It sounds like their new contract will eventually improve their lifestyles and pocket books, so I would say that things can only get better there. I hope you are enjoying your current job.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GearDwnFlaps15]

I do appreciate your insight on what you know about the company but I do not appreciate the manner in which you put it.

CrewDawg,
Just so you're not misinformed, Ben knows absolutely nothing about our company. He's proven it with each post. The furloughed Cal pilots at Exjet are scabs?......Whatever.

 

[HAZ-MAT]

Hanger Guy, I know this doesnt help out too much because I am not an employee there, but I did have the pleasure of being an Intern there. I was able to attend indoc class, and we had 20 people in the class. Two guys were in their mid 40's. One was a 135 lear pilot, and the other on was a CFI. Also the company I work for, we have a Furloughed XJT pilot, and he is in his late 40s. So in conclusion, I would give it a try.

 

[Sam Fisher]

None of the flowback CAL pilots are SCABs. They are all CAL 1998-2001 hires.

Ben is posting flamebait and is clearly bitter than he wasn't hired previously.

The hiring process will be totally different this time around. John Dresser will not be involved at all. All resumes and applications will be submitted online. The site will open sooner rather than later so pay attention to www.expressjet.com.

Pay and benefits are tough to tell at the moment since we are in the "end game" of contract negotiations. Expect to see significantly improved work rules and definitely a pay raise of some kind. How big it is is anyone's guess at this time. Per diem is currently industry average but will increase as well.

Hiring will commence in the first quarter of 2004. All furloughed pilots have no had a chance to be recalled. Upgrades have started and the CAL flowbacks will start going back to CAL in the first quarter of 2004, thus driving hiring and movement. Growth is also expected with significantly more block hours scheduled for 2004.

This is going to be a good year, barring any significant industry event.

Sam

 

[Ben Franklin]

Typical amatuer pilots attacking the messenger here.

I never said NOT to apply at Coex - it's YOUR career to ruin.

Why would you want to get hired at Coex with NO movement on a seniority list except for backwards? The Continental Pilots will continue to come back to Coex until they are ALL on the list and they are all flying regional jets.

So you will basically be an FO forever there. What do they start at, like 19 an hour?

WOW! don't spend it all in one place!

What do their FO's max out at, like 31 an hour?

again:
WOW! don't spend it all in one place!

If you want to upgrade like me and be PIC of the ship and get a job flying a REAL airplane someday, then I am not recommending Coex. If you want to be a regional pilot yanking gear for former Continental Pilots for your entire career with no movement, then by all means apply at Coex. I will have fun laughing at you when you can't upgrade or make more than 31 an hour for the rest of your life.

 

[GearDwnFlaps15]

Case and point.

 

[nimtz]

Typical amatuer pilots attacking the messenger here.

I never said NOT to apply at Coex - it's YOUR career to ruin.

Why would you want to get hired at Coex with NO movement on a seniority list except for backwards? The Continental Pilots will continue to come back to Coex until they are ALL on the list and they are all flying regional jets.

So you will basically be an FO forever there. What do they start at, like 19 an hour?

WOW! don't spend it all in one place!

What do their FO's max out at, like 31 an hour?

again:
WOW! don't spend it all in one place!

If you want to upgrade like me and be PIC of the ship and get a job flying a REAL airplane someday, then I am not recommending Coex. If you want to be a regional pilot yanking gear for former Continental Pilots for your entire career with no movement, then by all means apply at Coex. I will have fun laughing at you when you can't upgrade or make more than 31 an hour for the rest of your life.

Thanks for all the comedy you've provided me this afternoon Mr. Franklin. To think I've wasted so much time up to this point of my life. Bless you and the flaming universe you live in...


Signed,

Puller of Scab Gear

- PS: FTA ended a few months ago, but thanks for your insights. You're obviously well informed...

 

[skootertrash]

They are wishing that they would have went to mesa

AHHHHHHHHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Most guys I know at COEX would rather be a FA than a MESA skywhore.

Hey buddy we're all really impressed that your a captain of your own "ship". Do you wear your uniform to the mall?

Just so you know there are almost 600 CAL pilots with recall rights at COEX right now. Yes Virgina, there is a flow through clause. And that means that because they came back they will GO back. 600 of them will leave! So at the very least thats some movement! So well your a idiot. Go fly your ship for MESA.

 

[145FO]

I don't know the answers to all the questions asked. Starting pay is around 19.52/hr. Per diem is 1.40/hr. I'm a 4th year FO and we are paid 31.61/hr. I believe our 6th year FO pay is around 33/hr.(I don't have our contract in front of me)
Morale has been pretty low here for the last few years. I am more junior today than the day I was hired. However, things are starting to look better. There are rumors that CAL may start recalling pilots next year which will really get things moving. (last time there were rumors about CAL recalls they furloughed 200 more pilots)
I have no idea how many pilots CoEx plans on hiring next year. I do expect that new hires will spend many years as FOs here before upgrading. Also, our union is going to negotiate another flowthrough/flowback agreement, but we don't have any details of what that will look like.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Typical amatuer pilots attacking the messenger here.

I never said NOT to apply at Coex - it's YOUR career to ruin.

Why would you want to get hired at Coex with NO movement on a seniority list except for backwards? The Continental Pilots will continue to come back to Coex until they are ALL on the list and they are all flying regional jets.

Frankly, you sir....are a total idiot. OR - you're just putting flame bait out there for the masses. Either way, I'll quell your idiocy here with some flame retardant. And yes - I am now attacking the messenger. You deserve it.

We haven't had backwards movement for awhile. As a matter of fact, I've moved up a few numbers in the past few months and I will start moving up the FO list significantly at around 25/month starting in December as we are now upgrading new Captains and bringing back our furloughed pilots.

No more CAL flowbacks as the FTA as we know it is over. Dead. Gone. The only flowing is the flowing upwards of 400 CAL pilots currently on our list going back to CAL starting in in the first quarter of 2004.

So you will basically be an FO forever there. What do they start at, like 19 an hour?

WOW! don't spend it all in one place!

What do their FO's max out at, like 31 an hour?

Very mature. The answer is no, you won't be an FO "forever." I'll re-upgrade in the summer time which will be an upgrade time of approximately 4 years and some change. Not too bad considering it'll be in a 48,000lb jet.

As to the FO pay scale, I think that will be addressed in our ongoing Section 6 negotiations. It will be significantly more than Mesa or CHQ. I will guarantee you that.

If you want to upgrade like me and be PIC of the ship and get a job flying a REAL airplane someday, then I am not recommending Coex. If you want to be a regional pilot yanking gear for former Continental Pilots for your entire career with no movement, then by all means apply at Coex. I will have fun laughing at you when you can't upgrade or make more than 31 an hour for the rest of your life.

Where are you the "PIC of the ship" big boy? Hmm? What kind of "real" airplane do you fly? I'll be laughing at you for a long time since it is clear you are a putz who can't spell and obviously didn't pass the IQ test in Dresser's interview process. I'm glad that our rather strict (and tough process admittedly) kept out an idiot like you. Its just too bad we've kept out some good ones along the way as well.

Sam

 

[COEX-FO]

Also, our union is going to negotiate another flowthrough/flowback agreement, but we don't have any details of what that will look like.

Yes, that may be true BUT one does not have to vote for it! I'm NOT!

 

[Britpilot]

Maybe I got turned down by CoEx [/B]

I thank the lord for small mercies.
(and it's CALEX, by the way)

 

[Britpilot]

Or might there be some truth to the rumor that circulated during the last round of hiring that they favored the 20-somethings with less experience?

(This is *not* flame bait and no, I wasn't turned down. Just looking for straight opinions from those in the know. Thanks.)

No truth at all in that rumor. I was hired at age 39.

 

[MJG]

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Has anyone heard how many pilot's CoEx is planning on hiring in 2004?

We're scheduled to get 2 to 3 new XRJs a month for the next three years. You do the math. Something like 3 or 4 new crews per airplane. So there will be growth and hiring.

BUT.....

But when the 274th jet arrives, that's it, as far as we know. Once that happens then there will be ZERO movement, something that I can't seem to convince some of my fellow pilots of. Hence why our Negotiators are negotiating a new flow-through agreement. Without a way for the most senior pilots to leave our list there will be no way for the junior pilots to move up or upgrade.

You should seriously consider this if you think you want to come here. You're looking at the possibility of never upgrading here.

Not trying to scare you off but something to consider.

Now if we end up buying more jets and flying for someone else as well as CAL then it may be upgrade city. We'll see.

Hope this helps.

 

[ATRCA]

Hmmmmm...........

Wonder why you can't convince anyone else to sign another sh%ty flow thru agreement. I guess everyone else is wrong and you can predict the future. Thats a neat trick, you'll have to teach me that sometime.

After all, we all know that CAL is the only game in town and they will be hiring like crazy while the rest of the industry suffers, I've got it right don't I?

Anyway.......

 

[Torey15]

Can someone from COEX answer this? How many pilots that got on with SkyWest came back to the company? 10? 20? All of them? Also, since COEX has plans to recall their pilots, does SkyWest still have to offer a job to a furloughed COEX driver?


"In that case judge, skip the divorce and give me the gas chamber." Fred Sanford upon finding out he married Esther and not Elizabeth due to a mix-up in the signing of the marriage license.

 

[MJG]

Hmmmmm...........

Wonder why you can't convince anyone else to sign another sh%ty flow thru agreement. I guess everyone else is wrong and you can predict the future. Thats a neat trick, you'll have to teach me that sometime.

After all, we all know that CAL is the only game in town and they will be hiring like crazy while the rest of the industry suffers, I've got it right don't I?

Anyway.......

I can't predict the future. I can see the forest through the trees though. CAL won't be hiring like crazy anytime soon, you're correct, but they will be retiring like crazy over the next 5 years, that's a fact. No one here, including myself, will be foolish enough to sign off on another Career Progression and Furlough Protection agreement that's not fair to both sides(ie a 1 to 3 ratio like we had). However I for one don't like the idea of flying an RJ the rest of my career, maybe you do. Remember the only reason you and I were able to upgrade to prop captain so quickly was because those above us were able to move up in seniority via the FTA. At the time it was agreed on it was a great deal for those who voted on it, no one however foresaw 9/11 or the consequences it brought and we ended up eating a sh1t sandwhich for it at Express.

I'm willing to at least consider another deal if it addresses our side equally with theirs. Don't get too worked up about it, the chances of all four parties saying "yes" again to a FTA are very slim.

As for the Skywest pilots, they can either stay there or come back here. It's their choice, many will probably stay. Not sure how many.

 

[Bjet Driver]

As for the Skywest pilots, they can either stay there or come back here. It's their choice, many will probably stay. Not sure how many.

Actually, most of us are back where we belong.


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