CoEx hiring!

[145FO]

I don't know the answers to all the questions asked. Starting pay is around 19.52/hr. Per diem is 1.40/hr. I'm a 4th year FO and we are paid 31.61/hr. I believe our 6th year FO pay is around 33/hr.(I don't have our contract in front of me)
Morale has been pretty low here for the last few years. I am more junior today than the day I was hired. However, things are starting to look better. There are rumors that CAL may start recalling pilots next year which will really get things moving. (last time there were rumors about CAL recalls they furloughed 200 more pilots)
I have no idea how many pilots CoEx plans on hiring next year. I do expect that new hires will spend many years as FOs here before upgrading. Also, our union is going to negotiate another flowthrough/flowback agreement, but we don't have any details of what that will look like.

 

[Sam Fisher]

Typical amatuer pilots attacking the messenger here.

I never said NOT to apply at Coex - it's YOUR career to ruin.

Why would you want to get hired at Coex with NO movement on a seniority list except for backwards? The Continental Pilots will continue to come back to Coex until they are ALL on the list and they are all flying regional jets.

Frankly, you sir....are a total idiot. OR - you're just putting flame bait out there for the masses. Either way, I'll quell your idiocy here with some flame retardant. And yes - I am now attacking the messenger. You deserve it.

We haven't had backwards movement for awhile. As a matter of fact, I've moved up a few numbers in the past few months and I will start moving up the FO list significantly at around 25/month starting in December as we are now upgrading new Captains and bringing back our furloughed pilots.

No more CAL flowbacks as the FTA as we know it is over. Dead. Gone. The only flowing is the flowing upwards of 400 CAL pilots currently on our list going back to CAL starting in in the first quarter of 2004.

So you will basically be an FO forever there. What do they start at, like 19 an hour?

WOW! don't spend it all in one place!

What do their FO's max out at, like 31 an hour?

Very mature. The answer is no, you won't be an FO "forever." I'll re-upgrade in the summer time which will be an upgrade time of approximately 4 years and some change. Not too bad considering it'll be in a 48,000lb jet.

As to the FO pay scale, I think that will be addressed in our ongoing Section 6 negotiations. It will be significantly more than Mesa or CHQ. I will guarantee you that.

If you want to upgrade like me and be PIC of the ship and get a job flying a REAL airplane someday, then I am not recommending Coex. If you want to be a regional pilot yanking gear for former Continental Pilots for your entire career with no movement, then by all means apply at Coex. I will have fun laughing at you when you can't upgrade or make more than 31 an hour for the rest of your life.

Where are you the "PIC of the ship" big boy? Hmm? What kind of "real" airplane do you fly? I'll be laughing at you for a long time since it is clear you are a putz who can't spell and obviously didn't pass the IQ test in Dresser's interview process. I'm glad that our rather strict (and tough process admittedly) kept out an idiot like you. Its just too bad we've kept out some good ones along the way as well.

Sam

 

[COEX-FO]

Also, our union is going to negotiate another flowthrough/flowback agreement, but we don't have any details of what that will look like.

Yes, that may be true BUT one does not have to vote for it! I'm NOT!

 

[Britpilot]

Maybe I got turned down by CoEx [/B]

I thank the lord for small mercies.
(and it's CALEX, by the way)

 

[Britpilot]

Or might there be some truth to the rumor that circulated during the last round of hiring that they favored the 20-somethings with less experience?

(This is *not* flame bait and no, I wasn't turned down. Just looking for straight opinions from those in the know. Thanks.)

No truth at all in that rumor. I was hired at age 39.

 

[MJG]

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Has anyone heard how many pilot's CoEx is planning on hiring in 2004?

We're scheduled to get 2 to 3 new XRJs a month for the next three years. You do the math. Something like 3 or 4 new crews per airplane. So there will be growth and hiring.

BUT.....

But when the 274th jet arrives, that's it, as far as we know. Once that happens then there will be ZERO movement, something that I can't seem to convince some of my fellow pilots of. Hence why our Negotiators are negotiating a new flow-through agreement. Without a way for the most senior pilots to leave our list there will be no way for the junior pilots to move up or upgrade.

You should seriously consider this if you think you want to come here. You're looking at the possibility of never upgrading here.

Not trying to scare you off but something to consider.

Now if we end up buying more jets and flying for someone else as well as CAL then it may be upgrade city. We'll see.

Hope this helps.

 

[ATRCA]

Hmmmmm...........

Wonder why you can't convince anyone else to sign another sh%ty flow thru agreement. I guess everyone else is wrong and you can predict the future. Thats a neat trick, you'll have to teach me that sometime.

After all, we all know that CAL is the only game in town and they will be hiring like crazy while the rest of the industry suffers, I've got it right don't I?

Anyway.......

 

[Torey15]

Can someone from COEX answer this? How many pilots that got on with SkyWest came back to the company? 10? 20? All of them? Also, since COEX has plans to recall their pilots, does SkyWest still have to offer a job to a furloughed COEX driver?


"In that case judge, skip the divorce and give me the gas chamber." Fred Sanford upon finding out he married Esther and not Elizabeth due to a mix-up in the signing of the marriage license.

 

[MJG]

Hmmmmm...........

Wonder why you can't convince anyone else to sign another sh%ty flow thru agreement. I guess everyone else is wrong and you can predict the future. Thats a neat trick, you'll have to teach me that sometime.

After all, we all know that CAL is the only game in town and they will be hiring like crazy while the rest of the industry suffers, I've got it right don't I?

Anyway.......

I can't predict the future. I can see the forest through the trees though. CAL won't be hiring like crazy anytime soon, you're correct, but they will be retiring like crazy over the next 5 years, that's a fact. No one here, including myself, will be foolish enough to sign off on another Career Progression and Furlough Protection agreement that's not fair to both sides(ie a 1 to 3 ratio like we had). However I for one don't like the idea of flying an RJ the rest of my career, maybe you do. Remember the only reason you and I were able to upgrade to prop captain so quickly was because those above us were able to move up in seniority via the FTA. At the time it was agreed on it was a great deal for those who voted on it, no one however foresaw 9/11 or the consequences it brought and we ended up eating a sh1t sandwhich for it at Express.

I'm willing to at least consider another deal if it addresses our side equally with theirs. Don't get too worked up about it, the chances of all four parties saying "yes" again to a FTA are very slim.

As for the Skywest pilots, they can either stay there or come back here. It's their choice, many will probably stay. Not sure how many.

 

[Bjet Driver]

As for the Skywest pilots, they can either stay there or come back here. It's their choice, many will probably stay. Not sure how many.

Actually, most of us are back where we belong.


XJET FO

 

[hagen]

MJG you are really on crack if you think that once we get that last jet thats it...Yes for now thats the plan but when these 70-90 seaters start really competing against our routes you have to constantly change your busines plan to stay alive. you start weighing those extra seat miles on a 90 vs a 50 and it starts adding up. Nides and Ream aren't dummies..They have a plan past the 274 rj but they aren't telling....But you can ask him and he will tell you they have a plan. I already have...

 

[Sam Fisher]

Ok, so we get bigger jets.....don't think they'll be replacing some of our current jets Mr Hagen? There is only a finite amount of capacity that CAL will ever have XJT conduct for them. Unless we grow to fly on our own or for another airline....the game of musical chairs will stop at XJT in a few years.

Sam

 

[hagen]

Sam Valid point so please hurry up and get hired somewhere else. I need to upgrade before it stops

Cheers-n-Beers while we still can

 

[Sam Fisher]

SM....

You know I love you.

Sam

 

[Jetlink]

We

But when the 274th jet arrives, that's it, as far as we know. Once that happens then there will be ZERO movement, something that I can't seem to convince some of my fellow pilots of.

Um, the number of airframes has nothing to do with the number of pilots. Its block hours.

Comair flies approximately the same number of departures per day that COEX does, yet they do it with 85 less aircraft. How? COEX flies their planes 7:40 hrs per day avg and CMR 13.

Block hours, not airframes are what you need to look at. With 274 airplanes flying 7:40/day - you have the ability to double your pilot force with a simple increase in block hours.

Further, we are opening (COEX) 8 new stations in the first qrtr of 2004 alone - non-CAL stations that we are starting anew, and 10,000 block hour increase in the first qrtr as well.

The upgrades will be coming quickly again, as well as getting the 300+ CAL pilots back to their rightful company.

 

[Obi-Wan]

Further, we are opening (COEX) 8 new stations in the first qrtr of 2004 alone -

What are these new cities, can you list them please.

 

[flipflyr]

What are these new cities, can you list them please.

Took the words right out of mouth, Obi-Wan. I heard around the crewroom that one of the voice mail's said a few cities like Juarez and Bakersfield...


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[Ben Franklin]

I'll be laughing at you for a long time since it is clear you are a putz who can't spell and obviously didn't pass the IQ test in Dresser's interview process. I'm glad that our rather strict (and tough process admittedly) kept out an idiot like you. Its just too bad we've kept out some good ones along the way as well.

Sam

Yeah, it's that same process that may have kept me out but will FORCE you to "flow" to Continental airlines in about 20 years.

Once you FINALLY grow some sack and can handle some heavy iron like me - it will be where OH in Guam? What will you be flying over in Guam? yeah, that's right. NOTHING, because you'll be a SECOND officer doing fuel computations for a SCAB on the same DC-10 that my dad flew 25 years ago as CAPTAIN.

Have fun pulling gear forever.

Have fun flowing threw to Guam.

Have fun working on those fuel numbers for the last 5 years of your airline career.

Have fun NEVER making over $60,000 per year.

I will make WELL over $45,000 this year AND I am the PIC, next year looks even better for my paycheck, too!

Who's laughing now, HUH?!

Go COEX, GO!

 

[Ben Franklin]

I thank the lord for small mercies.

Is that what you say when you look at yourself in the mirror?

Are you an eternal First Officer at CALEX, too - wishing that you were a Captain and PIC like me?

I'm sorry.

Talk to a shrink and don't get amd at me becuause YOUR company and career are in the toilet.

 

[MJG]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Mr. maturity at his finest. Put the keyboard down son, it's time to do your homework, you've got to go back to school soon.