cockpit fist fight

[macdu]

I commute on Eagle quite a bit and recentely a plane returned to the gate because the pilots apparently got in to it in the cockpit. The mood there is very hostile from what I gather. What worries me is a fight breaking out on my flight or anybody elses for that matter. In my 15 years of commercial flying I don't think I have ever heard of a fight in the cockpit between crew members. For those in the know, what is going on over there? Should I avoid commuting on Eagle?

 

[LR45JI]

I left Eagle years ago.....

However, when I was based in MIA, I lived with a very senior FA from AA and her best friend was a gate-agent in MIA (You know how those things go!).

According to her (the agent) there was an average of 2-5 flight a month (on AA, not Eagle) that came back to the gate after pushback because the cockpit couldn't get along.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

Avoid commuting on Eagle?? That's rediculous. Of course you shouldn't avoid Eagle. Just because Eagle had a couple of bad apples doesn't mean the whole airline is bad.

If this is true then these two guys will get what they deserve.

 

[oldxfr8dog]

A buddy mine said he saw an Eastern crew roll out of the cockpit, exchanging blows. I'm sure I don't need to include the time frame.

 

[macdu]

greeaatt, I guess I will put my blinders back on, hold on, and shut-up.

 

[falconpilot]

American Beagle!?!?!?!!? I left there years ago too....

 

[328dude]

Just think, they have a great interview story now for when they get called to interview somewhere else.

 

[LearLove]

I commute on Eagle quite a bit and recentely a plane returned to the gate because the pilots apparently got in to it in the cockpit. The mood there is very hostile from what I gather. What worries me is a fight breaking out on my flight or anybody elses for that matter. In my 15 years of commercial flying I don't think I have ever heard of a fight in the cockpit between crew members. For those in the know, what is going on over there? Should I avoid commuting on Eagle?

Apparently you never flew out of ABE on Allegheny.

 

[jetexas]

It wasn't a fight, just a 'heated exchange'.
With 8 year Captains getting displaced to FO and a 4:1 ratio flowback/flowthrough and increasing, there's a lot of PO'd Eagle folks around. For some, especially hired in the late 90's, it's been a constant bohica-fest. Even so, the vast majority continue to maintain their bearing.

 

[Pancho747]

I left Eagle in 2000, don't really miss the place. But it seems to me they signed and agreed to the contract they currently have which included provisions for both flowthrough and flowback.

Too bad for them they don't get free major airline jobs anymore but the fact of the matter is that they agreed to allow a provision for flow back pilots from AA.

When I first hired on at Eagle, the company had just purchased BizEx. I met a BizEx SF340 captain who ended up being an AA flowthrough a year later. Imagine going from turboprop captain at a financially shaky regional airline and all of the sudden flowing through to AA. What luck.

In my 2 years at Eagle I met a lot of good pilots/people. But then there were also the uneducated/ignorant regional types who flowed through to AA and who would have never been hired on their own merit.

So now AA guys are "flowing back" and I hear they are being given a lot of crap on checkrides/line flying. Seems really unfair to me if this is the case. Afterall, an agreement is an agreement and both parties signed off on it.

Seems to me some of these Eagle guys ought to quit their whining.

 

[Snakum]

... there were also the uneducated/ignorant regional types who flowed through to AA and who would have never been hired on their own merit.

Too bad for them they don't get free major airline jobs anymore but the fact of the matter is that they agreed to allow a provision for flow back pilots from AA.

... these Eagle guys ought to quit their whining

This oughta' be good.

(gets popcorn)


Minh

 

[TooBad]

Haven't heard of any fighting in the Cockpit (UAL 737 in COS that crashed, love quarrel? rumor) However, I do know there was a fight in a Hotel Elevator between two pilots quit some time ago. I'm pretty sure one got fired.

 

[CRJ puppy]

Yes. Please no longer commute on Eagle. There will be one more seat for me! (Plus, I always enjoy "in-flight entertainment"!)

 

[labbats]

Did you hear that a couple of AWA pilots were drunk?!

I'm not jumpseating on them anymore!

 

[Eaglepuke]

There is certainly plenty of vileness and hatred around the Eagle these days. On the positive side, it does keep things interesting.

 

[njcapt]

Apparently you never flew out of ABE on Allegheny.

Or RDG in the old days.

 

[PCL_128]

In my 15 years of commercial flying I don't think I have ever heard of a fight in the cockpit between crew members.

Read "Flying the Line" (I think it was volume 1). After the strike at the original National Airlines there were frequent fights in the cockpit between the real National pilots and the SCABs after everything was settled and everyone was back to work.

One of the MSP PCL Captains was fired last year after getting into a fist fight with a fueler out on the ramp as the pax watched through the windows. Not exactly the same, but funny anyway.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Oh the good old cockpit fist fight.... I think they have happened everywhere at one time or another.

What amused me is when one senior momma refused to budge from her jumpseat in the ATR. After six legs of doing all the work, the junior FA tried to drag the senior mamma to her feet and they began swinging. Panty hose and high heels a flyin'. A passenger went through the cargo compartment and knocked on the cockpit door ( prior to 9/11 ) asking if one of the pilots could come back to break up the fight.

Eagle needs to get rid of those E jets. On the CRJ's there is too much room and the seats too sculpted to even get the cockpit door closed, much less take a swing at your crew member.

 

[jobear]

One of the MSP PCL Captains was fired last year after getting into a fist fight with a fueler out on the ramp as the pax watched through the windows. Not exactly the same, but funny anyway.

" I said 2400 effin pounds get the GD snow outta yer ears!!!"

 

[falcon20driver]

Wow, I needed a laugh, thanks.