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Headline should read "Captain forced to B!TCH-SLAP his number 1".

That would've been killer!
 
You think that's crazy. There are some airlines in Africa where crew scheduling has to ensure that the crewmembers are not part of warring tribal factions before they are paired togethor.
 
got that one beat

Back in the day when flight options was corp. wings. I heard of a capt. and first officer actually came to blows. It appreantly happend at Bolton Airfield in columbus ohio. For what ever reason the Capt hit the first officer. I have to imagine this would be hard considering it was a slowtation of some sort. Anyways the F/O just got out of the airplane on the taxi way and walked back to the hangar. The capt decided to continue the flight to another Corp Wings place in northern In. Upon arriving with out a F/O I believe he was fired.
 
How bout the one where the female first oficer hit her male captain with a flashlight?

YOU GO GIRL!

ok ok I'm kidding..it wasn't funny at the time and I don't condone cockpit violence. The PC police can relax.
 
English said:
How bout the one where the female first oficer hit her male captain with a flashlight?

The real joke would be on her when I key up the mic switch, squawk 7500, and report an attempted takeover. :D
 
User997 said:
The real joke would be on her when I key up the mic switch, squawk 7500, and report an attempted takeover. :D


Never

Tell anyone you got beat up by a girl.
 
Can't prove the veracity of the story, but heard it many years ago at DL:


Infamous DC8 capt..nobody could stand/get along with this guy. After long day, FO's had all he can stand...invites said capt down to the ramp to settle this man-to-man.

Well, capt may have been a jerk, but was also a Golden Gloves boxing champ in this youth...beat the crap outta the FO.

"Know thine enemy..." ?
 
India?!? Surprise surprise ..

The country where someone stole the localizer antenna (at BOM) in the past 3 months?

Where there are poor people living on the airport property .. literally ..

Where AI pilots bitch and moan to allow their wives to ride along for free on overnight trips, and actually displace pos. space pax?

Do I dare continue?

India is so backwards when it comes to aviation, I'm amazed they actually got a couple of the airports ISO 9001 certified.
 
I flew for a company once in which the owner had knocked three pilots unconscious while flying...with one hand, across the cockpit. He was proud of the fact, too. A senior pilot there had a female copilot, the only one he ever had, who pushed him hard he threw her out of the airplane on the ramp one day, and threw all her things out after her.

While flying an aproach to LAX in IMC, in a Learjet 24D, I had a brief discussion with a captain once. I was the F/O, pilot flying, on an ILS and cleared for the approach. I noted the captain twizzling the fuel gauge, often done for a quick check on Vref speed based on weight. I thought that's what he was doing, when he announced he thought we could turn around at LAX without getting fuel.

That took me by surprise, both because it was an idiotic thing to say, but becasue it was out of place when we were flying the approach. I commented that I didn't think so, that we needed fuel. I should have waited until we were on the ground, but we were a long way out yet, and I knew this captain had a penchant for returning home with the low fuel light on and very little petrol.

He replied that I would do what I was told, and like it, to which I replied that would not be the case, we would be buying fuel. He told me if I wanted to keep my job, I'd shut my mouth and do what I was told. I told him once we got on the ground I'd be taking a commercial flight home, and he could explain why he needed a new first officer.

He then began shouting loudly that I was lucky he didn't shatter my jaw right then and there, that he was going to put a shotgun in my mouth and blow the top of my head off and splatter my brains across the cockpit, and then he shouted that he was going to open the door and throw me out of the airplane, and I had better not talk back to him again.

Now admittedly this was not a good time to say anything more, but he'd pushed one button too many by then, and I had just about enough. I asked, "What did you say?"

Just then we broke out, and he replied, "I said I have the runway in sight." I landed, and as the mains touched, he took the airplane away from me, saying, "I have the airplane."

That a copilot got slapped after a heated arguement in a third-rate airline abroad about who-knows-what, is nothing. I've seen a whole lot worse.

As an aside, the pilot mentioned above is still flying, though I went right to the chief pilot after that incident and told him in no uncertain terms that I wouldn't fly with the man again.

Someone mentioned FLOPS...someone correct me, but a friend flew for them for a time, and told me that things were bad enough at one point that several crews had come to blows on the ramp after deplaning the passengers. That's second hand, but I recall him saying that it had happened in front of passengers, too. Anybody?

While a ticketed passenger in Lae in Papua New Guinea, I got tossed out of the airlplane physically, along with several other passengers, when soldiers of the PNG defense force, armed with automatic weapons, wanted our seats. They were headed for Rabaul and then to Bougainville to deal with fighting going on against the BRA, and were on board with their web bear and weapons, and decided they wanted our seats. We were physically tossed out the door, along with our things, onto the ramp. Now we had paid for those tickets, but in a fit of good will, gave them without arguement to the nice men with less than kindergarten educations, holding the automatic weapons. That was more than fair.
 
avbug said:
I flew for a company once in which the owner had knocked three pilots unconscious while flying...with one hand, across the cockpit. He was proud of the fact, too. A senior pilot there had a female copilot, the only one he ever had, who pushed him hard he threw her out of the airplane on the ramp one day, and threw all her things out after her.

While flying an aproach to LAX in IMC, in a Learjet 24D, I had a brief discussion with a captain once. I was the F/O, pilot flying, on an ILS and cleared for the approach. I noted the captain twizzling the fuel gauge, often done for a quick check on Vref speed based on weight. I thought that's what he was doing, when he announced he thought we could turn around at LAX without getting fuel.

That took me by surprise, both because it was an idiotic thing to say, but becasue it was out of place when we were flying the approach. I commented that I didn't think so, that we needed fuel. I should have waited until we were on the ground, but we were a long way out yet, and I knew this captain had a penchant for returning home with the low fuel light on and very little petrol.

He replied that I would do what I was told, and like it, to which I replied that would not be the case, we would be buying fuel. He told me if I wanted to keep my job, I'd shut my mouth and do what I was told. I told him once we got on the ground I'd be taking a commercial flight home, and he could explain why he needed a new first officer.

He then began shouting loudly that I was lucky he didn't shatter my jaw right then and there, that he was going to put a shotgun in my mouth and blow the top of my head off and splatter my brains across the cockpit, and then he shouted that he was going to open the door and throw me out of the airplane, and I had better not talk back to him again.

Now admittedly this was not a good time to say anything more, but he'd pushed one button too many by then, and I had just about enough. I asked, "What did you say?"

Just then we broke out, and he replied, "I said I have the runway in sight." I landed, and as the mains touched, he took the airplane away from me, saying, "I have the airplane."

That a copilot got slapped after a heated arguement in a third-rate airline abroad about who-knows-what, is nothing. I've seen a whole lot worse.

As an aside, the pilot mentioned above is still flying, though I went right to the chief pilot after that incident and told him in no uncertain terms that I wouldn't fly with the man again.

Someone mentioned FLOPS...someone correct me, but a friend flew for them for a time, and told me that things were bad enough at one point that several crews had come to blows on the ramp after deplaning the passengers. That's second hand, but I recall him saying that it had happened in front of passengers, too. Anybody?

While a ticketed passenger in Lae in Papua New Guinea, I got tossed out of the airlplane physically, along with several other passengers, when soldiers of the PNG defense force, armed with automatic weapons, wanted our seats. They were headed for Rabaul and then to Bougainville to deal with fighting going on against the BRA, and were on board with their web bear and weapons, and decided they wanted our seats. We were physically tossed out the door, along with our things, onto the ramp. Now we had paid for those tickets, but in a fit of good will, gave them without arguement to the nice men with less than kindergarten educations, holding the automatic weapons. That was more than fair.

So did you take the commercial flight home?
 
That's one case in which I'm not at liberty to discuss "the rest of the story."

The situation was resolved, and that's all I can say. I flew home the same aircraft in which I arrived.
 
avbug said:
The situation was resolved, and that's all I can say. I flew home the same aircraft in which I arrived.

Don't answer if you don't want to say... but, when you returned home on that same airplane, had you put more fuel on before departing??
 
I flew it to LAS, put on fuel there, and took it home. For the remainder of the story, it belongs to the other pilot involved. He is still flying, still has his certificate, and is indeed fortunate that he made those comments to me in flight and not on the ground...he still has all his teeth. Further affiant saith naught.
 
Just the other day I heard some fuzzy details about an FO that slugged a Captain upside the head with the big metal clipboard that serves as the airplane logbook. FO was allegedly fired and the Captain is still intimidating new hire FO's with his infinate wisdom. I understand that a month with him is the right of passage before upgrade, as he pretty much a controlling jackass.
 
Imfamous Slap on the hand.........

My last company I worked for, the boss and I were flying and ATC pointed out some traffic. In all my years of flying I usually will point out the traffic to the other crewmember.

Anyways, I pointed out the traffic and wham! Slap on the hand, I looked at him and WTFO! He said never point in the cockpit because the passengers will think there is something wrong in the cockpit. Yikes.........

Over the past 20 years, I've never had anyone do this type of act. It takes all kinds.

my 2 cents........
 
How about any flight instructor slapping thier students, or visa versa. My job is just single pilot work, usually I slap myself to stay awake.
 
My CFI smacked me in the back of the head when I had a brain fart and decided to three-point the 172. I just said "Oops" and then he said "What the hell was that?" *smack*. Granted, it was two flights before my private check ride. He is an awesome instructor though, lots of fun.
 
chawbein said:
My CFI smacked me in the back of the head when I had a brain fart and decided to three-point the 172. I just said "Oops" and then he said "What the hell was that?" *smack*.

Hey, I had that guy too for my PPL training!!
 
His name wasn't Dave, at DCA/CAA, was it? My instrument instructor gave me a whap in the back of the head for turning the wrong way in a hold. Best dam instructor I ever had. :)
 
Along the same lines there was a fist fight in the SOCAL TRACON between two controllers working traffic a number of years ago.
 
Peardc10 said:
My last company I worked for, the boss and I were flying and ATC pointed out some traffic. In all my years of flying I usually will point out the traffic to the other crewmember.

Anyways, I pointed out the traffic and wham! Slap on the hand, I looked at him and WTFO! He said never point in the cockpit because the passengers will think there is something wrong in the cockpit. Yikes.........

Over the past 20 years, I've never had anyone do this type of act. It takes all kinds.

my 2 cents........

I spent some time working at a company whose chief pilot did the same thing. Never point at a gauge or traffic, or look at a chart too long, lest the people in the back think something is wrong. Yeah, whatever. That was the most ridiculous thing I had ever heard in my fledgling career up to that point, and probably still is.
 
I just pull out the whip.
 
when i first started doing my multi training (first retractable gear plane i'm flying) i would occasionally forget to bring the gear up right after take off. my instructors solution was to not say anything, but just start punching my arm. at first i was "WTFO?" as i looked around to find the gear still down, when i pulled the gear up... the punching stopped. i quickly learned to remember the gear on take off.

he was a great instructor, great person with a good sense of humor. it was more of a humorous way to get my attention than anything else. we became good friends.. tho i havent heard from him in a while. last i heard he was working at mesaba.
 
Vik said:
India?!? Surprise surprise ..

The country where someone stole the localizer antenna (at BOM) in the past 3 months?

Where there are poor people living on the airport property .. literally ..

Where AI pilots bitch and moan to allow their wives to ride along for free on overnight trips, and actually displace pos. space pax?

Do I dare continue?

India is so backwards when it comes to aviation, I'm amazed they actually got a couple of the airports ISO 9001 certified.

Ha, I remember that day. I was trying to fly a plane from Aurangabad to Bombay. I had to wait a couple hours on the ground before I could take off. That theft caused all kinds of problems because there was some fog at that time too, so lots and lots of planes got delay and were stacked up waiting.

Oh the stories about aviation in india I could tell...
 
dash8driver said:
when i first started doing my multi training (first retractable gear plane i'm flying) i would occasionally forget to bring the gear up right after take off. my instructors solution was to not say anything, but just start punching my arm. at first i was "WTFO?" as i looked around to find the gear still down, when i pulled the gear up... the punching stopped. i quickly learned to remember the gear on take off.

Ah, the memories.....I had the same problem and each time was treated to an engine failure by my cfi. Most people would learn after the first time, but I was a little thick-headed and it took a few struggles around the pattern on one engine before the lightbulb over my pea-brain lit up.

The first CAT II apch where the capt knocked my hand off the levers a bit too enthusiastically resulted my me punching his arm a good one in retribution (no hard feelings - we both had a good laugh over that one).

But seriously, I can't imagine arguments/blows as described in this thread. Unbelievable that people like that are out there flying around -- to my way of thinking if people cannot control themselves in a crew environment, they do not have the judgement or cool head that is required to pilot an aircraft.

Makes me realize I'm lucky....we fly with the best captains out there who not only impart their knowlege and experience but also show respect for those of us sitting in the other seat (regardless of what they really think, lol).



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