CO IRO's in coach?

[IAHERJ]

Also, the company doesn't credit the first 10 hrs. of DH toward your line value, allowing them to work you more.

Meaning that you can still have a line built with pbs that meets the line value range(ex. 77.5-86.5) for a given month because the first 10 hours of DH will not count towards that number. The pilot would get paid for it though. Just didn't want to confuse anyone who might believe we DH for free. We did that in 2005(50% DH pay as part of the concession).

 

[General Lee]

What part of it?

Yes, if you are a DH'ing to IRO a flight you can find yourself in the back.

Yes, if you are an IRO, CA, or FO, working a flight you can find the crew rest in the back. It will then be a row of three seats alone.

The progression in all of these is Business First; then best to worst of the coach seats assignments.

Some flights you are almost always in coach; EWR-HNL 90%, EWR-ATH maybe 30% of the time, Europe I see coach about 20%, etc, etc.

That really is terrible. I hope you give your new CEO the SHAFT in negotiations. And, why don't you allow newhires to get insurance too while you are at it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JI Gone OH]

And, why don't you allow newhires to get insurance too while you are at it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I bet we'll have health insurance for our new hires long before you eliminate 70 seat jets from your regional fleet.

 

[aa73]

Wow - thanks for the info. Hope you guys nip this in the butt in your next contract.

 

[bizicmo]

I bet we'll have health insurance for our new hires long before you eliminate 70 seat jets from your regional fleet.

I thought the lastest QandA email about the healthcare reform that just past stated that the reform made it so there was no waiting period now?

 

[General Lee]

I bet we'll have health insurance for our new hires long before you eliminate 70 seat jets from your regional fleet.

Toooche. And then you can get rid of your "armpit" bases, get a decent wage, find some work rules, and stop the outsourcing of your 735s in the NE to Dash-8-400s. Good luck with all of that. But hey, you are the number 1 airline in NJ.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[JI Gone OH]

I thought the lastest QandA email about the healthcare reform that just past stated that the reform made it so there was no waiting period now?

I haven't read Employee Bulletin No. 7 yet, so I really can't respond. If that's what it says though, I guess my previous post was fairly accurate then ;-)

 

[JI Gone OH]

Toooche. And then you can get rid of your "armpit" bases, get a decent wage, find some work rules, and stop the outsourcing of your 735s in the NE to Dash-8-400s. Good luck with all of that. But hey, you are the number 1 airline in NJ.


Bye Bye--General Lee

All good points, except that we're #1 in New York too ;-).

 

[General Lee]

All good points, except that we're #1 in New York too ;-).

Really? You are number 1 and you only have 10 or so flights out of LGA, and maybe a couple at JFK? Wow, that is FANTASTIC if that is so.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JI Gone OH]

Really? You are number 1 and you only have 10 or so flights out of LGA, and maybe a couple at JFK? Wow, that is FANTASTIC if that is so.


Bye Bye---General Lee

My point exactly. We have a handful of flights out of LGA, none out of JFK, yet we're still #1 in the NY market. And as far as the "armpit" bases that you mentioned earlier, I didn't realize that Memphis, Detroit, and Atlanta were so enviable. I guess I missed the memo ;-).

 

[General Lee]

My point exactly. We have a handful of flights out of LGA, none out of JFK, yet we're still #1 in the NY market. And as far as the "armpit" bases that you mentioned earlier, I didn't realize that Memphis, Detroit, and Atlanta were so enviable. I guess I missed the memo ;-).

Ok, a few of the bases at DL are not great, but the rest are. All of your current bases could be considered "armpits." But, I wonder if you would like to have a few other additional bases, like DEN, SFO, LAX, ORD, and IAD? If that happens, you might be out of a job, period. Maybe you want to just keep your 3 bad ones and keep it at that. Good idea.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[IAHERJ]

Toooche. And then you can get rid of your "armpit" bases, get a decent wage, find some work rules, and stop the outsourcing of your 735s in the NE to Dash-8-400s. Good luck with all of that. But hey, you are the number 1 airline in NJ.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Our 767 drivers would take a paycut to work under your wages. Our contract expired in 2008 so we have had no annual raises for almost 2 years now. Don't act like your rates are that much better. Our bases will be a heck of a lot better than yours after our merger.....

You think we don't already know where we need to improve? Seriously, you act as if Delta has everything in order. What I and others have pointed out(in a sarcastic manner) is that there are areas we all should look to improve upon. We know, and have known for years now where our weaknesses lie at CAL. It has been well documented here on Flightinfo. I am not defending the actions of CAL and or the union/pilots that voted in the concessionary contract we are working under. What I'm saying is that we are working towards greatly improving on the things that constantly get brought up on this forum(no insurance for 6 months, 30K first year pay, 757/767 rest area, pbs issues). Up until our management brought us an offer of your complete contract, plus 1%, I held the Delta contract in high esteem. Taking a closer look, I don't think that would even be close to what I expect from my union/pilot group. The scope issue being the no vote before even touching on the other issues like vacation accrual and lack of a descent retirement package. Our retirement proposal made to the company was actually pretty impressive. Maybe you guys should look at such a thing in your next contract.

ByeBye,

IAHERJ

 

[eaglesview]

BTW, CAL is the #1 altitude violator in Europe. Flt Ops trys to tell us it's our own fault (for not calling out "inches" after transition level). I think it is clearly due to the fact that our crews are the most fatigued in the world right now. It is my understanding that we're the only airline who deadheads the IRO on the way over. So you've been flying all night. Right at the moment of max fatigue, the arrival phase, your IRO is sleeping in back. Everyone else works the IRO both ways from what I hear.

This is a huge safety issue. Of course the flying pilots are exausted. The only pilot that feels desent is in the back!! There is no doubt in my mind you are correct in assuming lack of rest is the probem with altitude deviations. That is a rediculous policy.

I am still envious of your scope though!! (rj's)

 

[BID]

Although not a safety issue, sitting in a Delta Connection first class seat with a first class meal has it's issues! but everything is perfect at Delta.

You can call us the number one airline in NJ, but the customers come across the river to fly on us. That is what really matters.

 

[BID]

and not to make excuses about our contract, but Continental has gone through two bankruptcies. Look how fast Delta caved on scope in bankruptcy court. Can you imagine a second one!

 

[100/hour/5y]

Our 767 drivers would take a paycut to work under your wages. Our contract expired in 2008 so we have had no annual raises for almost 2 years now. Don't act like your rates are that much better.

wrong! you are looking at payrates only...

Delta's 767 12 year guys make about 20% more than CAL's 767 12 year guys plus delta's Quantity of life is way above CAL's Quantity of life... WHY WORKRULES

 

[IAHERJ]

wrong! you are looking at payrates only...

Delta's 767 12 year guys make about 20% more than CAL's 767 12 year guys plus delta's Quantity of life is way above CAL's Quantity of life... WHY WORKRULES

He said "why don't you get some descent payrates". I responded based on payrates. He should have said work rules.

Somebody please write this guy a letter of recommendation so we can be done with his constant negativity.

 

[C-150ETOPS]

Next question for the CAL guys (others feel free to give their contract/policy)


Assuming your deadheading to Europe with a full crew of 3 pilots and a full flight attendant crew, what is the seat assignment priority for a full crew if just a few First or Business class seats are available and the rest in coach?

 

[IAHERJ]

Captain, first officer, IRO, then flight attendants in seniority order.

 

[BID]

He said "why don't you get some descent payrates". I responded based on payrates. He should have said work rules.

Somebody please write this guy a letter of recommendation so we can be done with his constant negativity.

I know! Can you imagine flying with this guy. What I don't understand is why he took the job to begin with. Delta turned him down?

 

[100/hour/5y]

Next question for the CAL guys (others feel free to give their contract/policy)


Assuming your deadheading to Europe with a full crew of 3 pilots and a full flight attendant crew, what is the seat assignment priority for a full crew if just a few First or Business class seats are available and the rest in coach?

If you just worked a flight over and now are deadheading home... It's the CA and then it's pass travel date... Have fun in the middle seat coming home if you are DH back from a military charter... Even with my express travel date of 97 the FA's still had 15-20 years on me...

IAHERJ/BID... How do you drink the coolaid while this Pilot group still has pilots that pickup JM flights with 147 on the street... Good luck in trying to win the Ford Bronco!!! I enjoy my time off... Wake up, this is just a job!

 

[IAHERJ]

If you just worked a flight over and now are deadheading home... It's the CA and then it's pass travel date... Have fun in the middle seat coming home if you are DH back from a military charter... Even with my express travel date of 97 the FA's still had 15-20 years on me...

IAHERJ/BID... How do you drink the coolaid while this Pilot group still has pilots that pickup JM flights with 147 on the street... Good luck in trying to win the Ford Bronco!!! I enjoy my time off... Wake up, this is just a job!

He asked about DH over to Europe to work a flight the next day. The order I mentioned is correct. As usual, you have re worded the situation to find a weakness in our contract. You are correct about deadheading back from an assignment. That completely sucks but the FA's negotiated that and we will have to fix that to. Deadheading TO an assignment goes CA, FO, FA's in seniority order. And I think that Express board date BS is crap for DH btw...Should be seniority order, not that it comes into play much.

As for picking up JM flights, not me. I have a line value this month of around 38 hours after dropping a LIM and having VRF. Next month I bid a VRF again so don't come at me with this crap. I do my part and am not drinking any koolaid. I just present facts. You do as well. I just chose not to dwell on every negative aspect of our contract on this site like you do. Believe me when I say that my standard for voting "yes" on any TA is very high. No go dust off your resume so you can bail as soon as DAL starts hiring.

 

[aa73]

Captain, first officer, IRO, then flight attendants in seniority order.

MUST BE NICE!

At AA it is whoever shows up first. You can check in 24hrs prior and put yourself on the upgrade list. You know what happens next. 65 year old Edith calls up her chummy gate agent friends, and next thing you know, the CA, FO and IRO are in coach middle seats while Her Witchiness and 5 of her pals are in First - even though the pilots were checking in RIGHT AT 24hrs prior.

Glad you guys at least have that going for you. Hope you fix all the other stuff!