CNN reporting NWA to cut 2500 jobs

[MJ42]

Ehhhh....pilotage, in its normal usage referring to navigation, means navigating solely by reference to landmarks & a map, without the benefit of radio navigation or even a list of wind-corrected headings to fly (deduced reckoning). Now, the DC9 is old, but it's still advanced enough to have a VOR head in it! Heck, even has HSI. That's all any decent pilot should need, in my book

/says the guy steadily losing all his "real pilot" skills in one of those lazy man's glass airplanes

Tell that to our dispatchers when EAU VOR was OTS a few weeks ago, but still filed us on the EAU arrival(legally...according to them???). CA said..."Fly to that town, that's EAU":nuts:

 

[Whine Lover]

Yeah, I don't think they will let any pilots go either....

Wednesday, July 9, 2008


07-09) 11:10 PDT MINNEAPOLIS (AP) --
Northwest Airlines Corp. is the latest airline to cut jobs because of high oil prices.
The carrier said Wednesday it will eliminate 2,500 management and front-line jobs.

It previously announced that it would shrink the amount of flying it does by roughly 9 percent later this year.

President and CEO Doug Steenland blames the cuts on fuel costs that have more than doubled in the past year.

Northwest says it will offer voluntary departures. It says furloughs will be used only if it does not get enough volunteersto reach the 2,500 number.


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1) "Front Line Jobs"....Thats YOU Mr. Pilot, and F/A, and CS Agent.

2) "Shrink the amount of FLYING"....I think that would mean they have LESS flying JOBS.

3) "Furloughs"....Desk people don't get "furloughed", Pilots and Flight Attendants DO.


Are you folks enjoying your river trip?

I hear De Nile is wonderful this time of year....


YKMKR

 

[MJ42]

Yeah, I don't think they will let any pilots go either....

Wednesday, July 9, 2008


07-09) 11:10 PDT MINNEAPOLIS (AP) --
Northwest Airlines Corp. is the latest airline to cut jobs because of high oil prices.
The carrier said Wednesday it will eliminate 2,500 management and front-line jobs. It previously announced that it would shrink the amount of flying it does by roughly 9 percent later this year.

President and CEO Doug Steenland blames the cuts on fuel costs that have more than doubled in the past year.

Northwest says it will offer voluntary departures. It says furloughs will be used only if it does not get enough volunteers to reach the 2,500 number......


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1) "Front Line Jobs"....Thats YOU Mr. Pilot, and F/A, and CS Agent.

2) "Furloughs"....Desk people don't get "furloughed", Pilots and Flight Attendants DO.

3) "Shrink the amount of FLYING"....I think that would mean they have LESS flying JOBS.

Are you folks enjoying your river trip?

I hear De Nile is wonderful this time of year....


YKMKR

You're an idiot! We all know what front line employees are, but our MEC has negotiated a LOA to protect us. I'm not dumb enough to think it will stop furloughs, but it sure will help!

1) Lower monthly max
2) Monthly leaves...lots of guys(especially bus) are flying 85 to 90 hrs/month who would love to get time off.
3) Partial mont leaves...see #2
4) Attractive Early out program. Big incentive to keep NWA lower insurance premiums for retirees.
5) Any furloughed NWA would have to be retrained at Compass. By the time these retrained pilots would hit the line, DAL would need these pilots(on the DAL side). Very costly to furlough then recall shortly there after!

 

[scarlet]

Yeah they are going to keep 12,000 pilots and over 1200 aircraft including all the regionals=NOT

And they going to keep MEM and CVG open=NOT

DL just trying to lay low until the merger is approved by DOJ....

Prepare now, save money for your family !!! Don;t get caught !!

 

[Schwanker]

Yeah, I don't think they will let any pilots go either....

Wednesday, July 9, 2008


07-09) 11:10 PDT MINNEAPOLIS (AP) --
Northwest Airlines Corp. is the latest airline to cut jobs because of high oil prices.
The carrier said Wednesday it will eliminate 2,500 management and front-line jobs.

It previously announced that it would shrink the amount of flying it does by roughly 9 percent later this year.

President and CEO Doug Steenland blames the cuts on fuel costs that have more than doubled in the past year.

Northwest says it will offer voluntary departures. It says furloughs will be used only if it does not get enough volunteersto reach the 2,500 number.


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1) "Front Line Jobs"....Thats YOU Mr. Pilot, and F/A, and CS Agent.

2) "Shrink the amount of FLYING"....I think that would mean they have LESS flying JOBS.

3) "Furloughs"....Desk people don't get "furloughed", Pilots and Flight Attendants DO.


Are you folks enjoying your river trip?

I hear De Nile is wonderful this time of year....


YKMKR

A paragraph from yesterday's ALPA hotline:

NWA Announces Voluntary Staffing Reductions
Northwest Airlines today announced it will reduce its frontline and management employees by 2,500 as a result of capacity reductions taken to address the unprecedented run-up in oil prices. The reductions will be first achieved through a variety of voluntary programs including early-out programs, voluntary leaves, work rule modifications and attrition. Furloughs will be employed only if voluntary means fail to achieve the targeted reductions. The NWA Negotiating committee previously negotiated Letter of Agreement (LOA) 08-46 Layoff Protection Package which addresses pilot reductions by implementing early retirements, leaves and hourly reductions without the need for furloughs.


Thanks for trying to stir it up--
Schwanker

 

[Whine Lover]

" You're an idiot! "

The best defense is always a good offense...

Now, shall we discuss anger as a Defense Mechanism?

I may be an idiot but at least I have a grasp on reality, tenuous as it may be.

YKMKR

 

[MJ42]

Yeah they are going to keep 12,000 pilots and over 1200 aircraft including all the regionals=NOTYou better prepare too! Your RJ may be on the cutting board...

And they going to keep MEM and CVG open=NOTPossible, but we'll see

DL just trying to lay low until the merger is approved by DOJ....yeah, then DAL will have to deal with the 24 month no furlough agreement.

Prepare now, save money for your family !!! Don;t get caught !!

Good advice for ALL pilots, if you're smart then you'll save for a rainy day. It's an unpredictable industry, you'd be dumb not to prepare.

 

[MJ42]

" You're an idiot! "

The best defense is always a good offense...

Now, shall we discuss anger as a Defense Mechanism?Please do! We may be able to get you some help.

I may be an idiot but at least I have a grasp on reality, tenuous as it may be.

YKMKR

Your grasp on reality is foggy. I never said furloughs won't happen at NWA, but our MEC is working very hard so they will not happen. It looks like, for now, they have been avoided. Hopefully it will work out this way!

 

[Schwanker]

Yeah they are going to keep 12,000 pilots and over 1200 aircraft including all the regionals=NOT You're right- already pulling a few aircraft out, including regionals on the DAL side.

And they going to keep MEM and CVG open=NOT
I'm not sure why they would, but mgt is telling both communities they will stay hubs. I'm sure they'll be much smaller as DTW and ATL grow.

DL just trying to lay low until the merger is approved by DOJ.... Could be.

Prepare now, save money for your family !!! Don;t get caught !! Always good advice. I'm not worried about getting caught!

Schwanker

 

[Whine Lover]

MJ, that's all I was alluding to in the first place. There have been several comments about furloughs NOT happening and that is just not realistic.

As far as this goes:

The NWA Negotiating committee previously negotiated Letter of Agreement (LOA) 08-46 Layoff Protection Package which addresses pilot reductions by implementing early retirements, leaves and hourly reductions without the need for furloughs.

1) Like all legal documents, it's about as valuable as the paper it is written on. "No Furlough Clause" comes to mind.

2) IF they can get enough Volunteers for Leaves / Retirements etc. THEN they can mitigate the number of furloughs.

Hopefully that can be done....But ask ten guys if they are willing to give up their paycheck tomorrow and see how many jump at the chance to volunteer.

I'm just sayin'.....Ya' know?


YKMKR

 

[MJ42]

MJ, that's all I was alluding to in the first place. There have been several comments about furloughs NOT happening and that is just not realistic.

As far as this goes:

The NWA Negotiating committee previously negotiated Letter of Agreement (LOA) 08-46 Layoff Protection Package which addresses pilot reductions by implementing early retirements, leaves and hourly reductions without the need for furloughs.

1) Like all legal documents, it's about as valuable as the paper it is written on. "No Furlough Clause" comes to mind.

2) IF they can get enough Volunteers for Leaves / Retirements etc. THEN they can mitigate the number of furloughs.

Hopefully that can be done....But ask ten guys if they are willing to give up their paycheck tomorrow and see how many jump at the chance to volunteer.

I'm just sayin'.....Ya' know?


YKMKR

Ok, I agree. Sorry for harsh response. You obviously have more info on this than I thought.

 

[FBN0223]

No furloughs at NWA through the end of the year. Currently there are four(4) programs in place that should prevent any furloughs in 2008.

But if the price of fuel go to $200/brl, it obviously will have an effect on staffing and furloughs....as would electing another moron to the White House who is anti-labor and pro-cabotage.

 

[Muskycat]

No furloughs at NWA through the end of the year. Currently there are four(4) programs in place that should prevent any furloughs in 2008.

But if the price of fuel go to $200/brl, it obviously will have an effect on staffing and furloughs....as would electing another moron to the White House who is anti-labor and pro-cabotage.

Any rumor on how many may retire if any?

 

[Superpilot92]

Lots!! Programs close on the 28th i believe so we'll see.

 

[tomgoodman]

From the stone age...

OK,show your pilot age.

What does TVMDC mean when it comes to navigation?

True, Variation, Magnetic, Deviation, Compass.
How about an ICE-T spin on the whiz wheel?

 

[clippyrip]

I'll take ICE-T for $200 Alex........

"ICE-T" = Indicated, Calibrated, Equivalent, True"ICE-T" = Indicated, Calibrated, Equivalent, True calculated on the E6B flight computer.

 

[Whine Lover]

"TVMDC"

True Virgins Make Dull Company at Weddings....Circa 1978

I used to be a Jet Pilot....Dammit.

YKMKR

 

[Muskycat]

Lots!! Programs close on the 28th i believe so we'll see.

Someone told me there where 180 displacements. That be true or what?

 

[Superpilot92]

Someone told me there where 180 displacements. That be true or what?

No truth now. Before the loa was signed most of the "displacements" you probably heard about were from people being "Displaced" from Block to Reserve. At NWA that counts as a "displacement".

But to answer your question NO ONE is involuntarily getting displaced.