CMR LOA Violation!

[Texx]

Why has your MEC not filed suit against CMR for violation of the LOA?

You are furloughing correct?

They are removing airplanes?

 

[bvt1151]

loosing? Some of the old ones are getting a little loose, but most are still pretty tight.

 

[Pez D. Spencer]

Filed suit? You mean filed a grievance, right?

They have, I believe, filed a grievance.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Wether or not they have is/ has been debated. I have been told that they haven't violated anything as the first violation would occur in Dec of 06(first fleet size garuntee).

 

[Wacopilot]

under CH-11 no-furlough is void. No violation

Waco

 

[spinproof]

under CH-11 no-furlough is void. No violation

Waco

That is not true. The contract is in force until a new LOA is agreed to/ or the judge revokes same. Nothing changes until this happens.

 

[spinproof]

Wether or not they have is/ has been debated. I have been told that they haven't violated anything as the first violation would occur in Dec of 06(first fleet size garuntee).

I believe it to be the day the fleet size is diminished. Hence I believe a grievence has been or is being filed at this time. I am looking for the language in the Feb LOA. It appears there is a basis for that at this time.

Also I've been told and I'm trying to verify this with a MEC negotiating member, that Mesa has told DAL they will give them 3 million for every RJ they give to Mesa for DAL revenue service. Can't verify whether these would be 100's( are there any left?), 200's or 700's or any/all!

Rat Ba$tards !!

 

[Texx]

Wether or not they have is/ has been debated. I have been told that they haven't violated anything as the first violation would occur in Dec of 06(first fleet size garuntee).

Have they furloughed pilots? Do they not have a no furlough policy in the LOA?

ALso, doesn't it state a minimun fleet size?

 

[Texx]

under CH-11 no-furlough is void. No violation

Waco

Do they no longer have a contract? Did it go thru a 1113? Isn't the LOA a part of the contract?

 

[DGdaPilot]

voluntary furloughs are already in effect

 

[spinproof]

I just picked this up on the comair/ALPA web board.


"I just received a copy of the grievance that was filed yesterday, January 5th. The union is claiming that Section H of the LOA has been violated because 11 aircraft have been removed from service. The union also claims that the "true intent and meaning" of the LOA has been violated because we have pilots on involuntary furlough.
This is the best news I have heard from our union in a long time. Hopefully this grievance will force Comair to bring our furloughed pilots back on line quickly, with back pay (at pre-LOA rates of course).

This news is further proof that the no furlough protection provided by section 1.E. of the contract and the furlough protection that is implied by the LOA are critical parts of our contract. In fact, I think they are the only contractual protection we have against DAL mangement. Why would any Comair pilot vote yes to a deal that gives up the only part of the contract that can save his or her job?"

AMEN to that brother!

 

[wmuflyguy]

I have heard the Mesa 3 million an RJ "rumor". Not sure where it came from, duno if it is true. not good for anyone.

I read that quote on the alpa web board also. Except I haven't been able to confirm it other than what that one individual has posted.

I jsut looked up the LOA on the alp webbooard. I dont see anythig that says furlough protection in the LOA. The only thing i saw was the Minimum Fleet garuntee's.

I'm not sure what teh spirit of this was, but it seems whatever it was doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is what you have in writing.

3. In the event the Company fails to take delivery of the aircraft and/or maintain​

the fleet size as provided above, in addition to all other legal remedies
available to ALPA, including but not limited to the expedited arbitration
provisions provided in paragraph M.3., below, the following remedies shall,
at the sole option of the Association, apply:

a. Should the Company fail to take delivery of at least eighteen (18) aircraft
specified in paragraph 2.a. above, by December 31, 2006, then the June

22, 2005 hourly rates of pay as provided for in Section 3.A. of the 2001

Agreement will be reinstated and become immediately effective.
Longevity step increases will also be resumed at the same time.
Additionally, any pilot with a longevity date between June 1, 2006 and
December 31, 2006 shall receive a longevity increase on December 31,
2006. In subsequent years, such pilot will receive longevity increases, if
due, on his longevity date. All other pilots will receive their next longevity
increases, if due, on their longevity dates between January 1, 2007 and
May 31, 2007.
​

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[wmuflyguy]

voluntary furloughs are already in effect

We also have people on Involuntary furlough, some voluntary furloughs were asked to stay through January. They were also asking some Involuntarys to work at premium pay the first part of the month. Aparently they ended up short the first week or two

We also have people picking up EXTRA FLYING!!!! and we have people furloughed. Someone posted an individuals name and schedule on the ALPA webboard (since been taken down since the person claimed it was harrasment) and this individual had 4 or so days of EF. How sick is that!!

 

[Nindiri]

I thought you guys only started your furloughs on the first of January. How did someone already manage to get four days of extra flying?

 

[wmuflyguy]

the guys has it scheduled already for the month

 

[Wacopilot]

there is a"special Circumstances" clause in every union contract that allows companies to void some sections is certain things happen ie. Act of God, BK, N Terrorism, etc...... that is why the "no furlough" clause is bs. It is only good if times are good.......... just like ALPA leadership. Only good when times are easy.

Waco

 

[spinproof]

there is a"special Circumstances" clause in every union contract that allows companies to void some sections is certain things happen ie. Act of God, BK, N Terrorism, etc...... that is why the "no furlough" clause is bs. It is only good if times are good.......... just like ALPA leadership. Only good when times are easy.

Waco

Posted below is the Comair NFC:

" For the duration of this agreement, notwithstanding the provissions of section 22, the company will not furlough any pilot whose name is on the seniority list on the effective date of this Agreement except in circumstances over which the company has no control. The term " circumstances over which the company has no control" includes, but is not limited to,a natural disaster,labor dispute,grounding of a substancial number of the company's aircraft by a governmental agency, reduction in flying operations because of a decrease in available fuel supply or other critical material due to either governmental action or commercial suppliers being unable to provide sufficient fuel or other critical materials for the companys operations, revocation of the operating certificate,war emergency, owners delay in delivery of aircraft scheduled for delivery,manufacturers delay in delivery if new aircraft scheduled for delivery.The "circumstances over which the company has no control" will not include the price of fuel or other supplies,the price of aircraft,the state of the economy,the financial state of the company or the profitability or unprofitability of the companies operations."



Normally I would agree that there are weasel words that would allow this to not be enforced. I have to look at the highlighted area above and see alot of reasons Big "D" wants this removed! Otherwise there is nothing here to hang your hat on! The last sentence says it all for Comair pilots!!!!!!

 

[bvt1151]

But what it doesn't include is Delta's removal of feed. That is outside Comair's control, and doesn't fit into the abover circumstnaces.

 

[spinproof]

But what it doesn't include is Delta's removal of feed. That is outside Comair's control, and doesn't fit into the abover circumstnaces.

That makes no sense whatso ever! If Delta removes feed they still owe pilots!
unless they can get the NFC removed! To do that would require you giving it up or the courts taking it away. It doesn't go away because DAL takes the feed!

 

[D'Angelo]

We also have people on Involuntary furlough, some voluntary furloughs were asked to stay through January. They were also asking some Involuntarys to work at premium pay the first part of the month. Aparently they ended up short the first week or two

We also have people picking up EXTRA FLYING!!!! and we have people furloughed. Someone posted an individuals name and schedule on the ALPA webboard (since been taken down since the person claimed it was harrasment) and this individual had 4 or so days of EF. How sick is that!!

How dare you try and violate anyones privacy. Thats the beautiful thing about the USA my friend. I dammn well have the right to pick up open time and you can bet your butt that I will continue to do so. Ive got a family and quite frankly this has turned into an every man for himself war out there. They are gonna get those flights filled one way or another so if im the first one to try and get it then its my premium pay. Who knows what will happen in the future so you can bet that im gonna stockpile as much extra cash as I possibly can. It may make me unpopular but so be it. BTW if you even try and harass me for it there will be issues to deal with. You can disagree with me but its my choice. If anyone tries to harass me I will not stand for it. Im not trying to win a popularity contest by any means here.

 

[wmuflyguy]

How dare you try and violate anyones privacy. Thats the beautiful thing about the USA my friend. I dammn well have the right to pick up open time and you can bet your butt that I will continue to do so. Ive got a family and quite frankly this has turned into an every man for himself war out there. They are gonna get those flights filled one way or another so if im the first one to try and get it then its my premium pay. Who knows what will happen in the future so you can bet that im gonna stockpile as much extra cash as I possibly can. It may make me unpopular but so be it. BTW if you even try and harass me for it there will be issues to deal with. You can disagree with me but its my choice. If anyone tries to harass me I will not stand for it. Im not trying to win a popularity contest by any means here.

Flamer

 

[D'Angelo]

No flames here my friend just the truth. I have absolutely no problem picking up open time period.

 

[Dirt Doctor]

Picking up open time keeps pilots on the street bottom line! It may be your right to do it, but it is my right to vote NO on this contract and close this company down. Then I hope I will see your sorry butt on the street with your open time victims!!

 

[D'Angelo]

I will vote to keep things alive my friend. I dont think there is a majority to vote it down. Why let someone else take the flying. Besides there's still open time for me to pick up. If we all just pick up open time we will get a good raise that way.

 

[BenderGonzales]

It's kind of sad to watch the unity that the Comair pilots once had fade away.

Now, just like every other airline, the senior eat their young in order to keep what they have.

There's really very little difference between pilots at the majors and the regionals. ALPA's policy remains the same: "Screw you. I've got mine."

 

[spacecadet1]

Actually, picking up open time has been going on at just about every airline out there. There was one genius at my company (one of the more vocal union blah blah blah guys), who asked on the union board why he was illegal for all his trips in Dec. Someone pointed out that he had probably exceeded the 1000 hr FAR! Talk about stepping on your pecker.
I think that after picking up the open time, just to help out the furloughed guys, you should see if they are having a garage sale to raise cash. Then you can get some cheap stuff, and help them out by giving them cash.

 

[surplus1]

How dare you try and violate anyones privacy. Thats the beautiful thing about the USA my friend. I dammn well have the right to pick up open time and you can bet your butt that I will continue to do so. Ive got a family and quite frankly this has turned into an every man for himself war out there. They are gonna get those flights filled one way or another so if im the first one to try and get it then its my premium pay. Who knows what will happen in the future so you can bet that im gonna stockpile as much extra cash as I possibly can. It may make me unpopular but so be it. BTW if you even try and harass me for it there will be issues to deal with. You can disagree with me but its my choice. If anyone tries to harass me I will not stand for it. Im not trying to win a popularity contest by any means here.

Who do you think cares about your "privacy"? Your attitude is that of a total schmuck and you deserve more than being harrassed. I'm gonna harass you every chance I get, and what are you going to do about it, tough guy? What you gonna do complain to your mom? Who cares? You have the attitude of a schmuck! So consider yourself harrassed, now what?

 

[D'Angelo]

Who do you think cares about your "privacy"? Your attitude is that of a total schmuck and you deserve more than being harrassed. I'm gonna harass you every chance I get, and what are you going to do about it, tough guy? What you gonna do complain to your mom? Who cares? You have the attitude of a schmuck! So consider yourself harrassed, now what?

Well last time I checked my friend I have the right to a harrassment free work environment. You can take all your union thug talk and go pound sand. I will continue to pick up open time and I will continue to enjoy the premo pay. I will also be voting YES for the concessions. I will be able to make up my loss of pay with open time. have a nice day

 

[wrigley23]

My girlfriend asked if I was going to pick up open time during vacation to make some extra cash. I said of course not and had to explain to her why. I'm not saying that I have taken the moral high road but when someone is on the street looking for a ways to make ends meet there is no freakin way I'll take trips that could have keep them working. I won't out or harass anyone that does it but, since we're all entitled to our own opinion, I think you are scum.

 

[D'Angelo]

what a good idea. Maybe next year when I time out early thanks to all the open time I will pick up I will take the lady on a cruise with all that money. God knows shes earned it!