Climbto350's big mistake!

[DesertFalcon]

Hi, Everyone...

Well, "Climb" has just made a very serious mistake. If, you'll take a look at the site you'll notice that unless you are a member you cannot view any jobs.

"Greed" has taken the minds of the creators of this site. I can't see any reason to visit the site now that the jobs are sealed.

I am sure the volume of the site will drop off after a few weeks leaving them with a site that will be a shell of its former self.

Without pilots visiting the site you can't sell the space to fill the jobs.

What do you think?

I think their move is very short sighted.

(Gear down, Landing now!)

 

[100LL... Again!]

Everybody's gotta make a living...

 

[FADECtoBLACK]

I have to agree. I know I used to browse the site on an almost daily basis, even bought a subscription for a month a while back... won't be doing that anymore!

 

[labbats]

http://pub48.ezboard.com/faviationemploymentboardfrm7

 

[avbug]

I'm not certain I understand your point. You suggesting that people who visited the site without paying won't visit it any more...and this is supposed to hurt the site how?

For eons now the site has advertised that free viewing is for a limited time...I thought they would have restricted access a long time ago.

If I understand correctly, you're saying that because it's no longer possible to freeload, why visit any more? Sounds like they're not losing anything...if one didn't contribute to their business before, then what loss is it if one doesn't visit any more?

 

[flint4xx]

Using that logic, then why print a newspaper that nobody reads?
Sounds like a shift from earning advertising money to trying to earn membership money. If they offset eachother, fine. I don't think expecting both is realisitic in the aviation community.

 

[LearLove]

Hey does anyone know what the Dash8-300 job listing is? Just want to know being a dash guy and all. Is it even in the US or is it some foreign thing?

 

[huncowboy]

so you better not give a free ride to anyone if you are a CFI because than you are a whore.On the other hand internet sites, and I guess everyone else, can work for free and that is the norm? Ok...

 

[DesertFalcon]

In the the T.V. business viewership determines advertising prices. If, you don't have viewers who will watch the commercials?

I realize, that "Climb" has to make money to stay up and running, however, I also believe that part of their success had do to their daily volume of non-paying customers viewing the site; Now that part of the business is gone.

I don't see any reason to bash "Climb" I am just making an observation from my point of view, as a non member.

Landing Gear UP... Landing now.... Whooops... Maybe not!

 

[Timebuilder]

Pilots who visited the site as "free" visitors were generating viewing stats for the site, such as click-throughs, etc. This meant banners and other ads could be sold based on visiting stats, helping to support the site.

Now, if there is no free viewing, pilots may not be tantalized into joining with a membership, and no one will be encouraged to either click through or join. Lower stats, fewer members.

Probably not a good move.

 

[sweptback]

I never understood why you had to pay to look at jobs. You think the employers that pay to post their job ads would want the maximum number of people looking as possible.

Bandwidth and hosting are (relatively) cheap. As it is mostly a text-only site I doubt they're pusing tons of gigabytes per month. You would think that charging the employers a reasonable fee to post the jobs and offer the services that they do to them would more than offset the hosting costs.

I just don't think charging people to look for jobs is right. After all, if they're looking for a job, they're probably unemployed or underemployed, and probably don't have the money to throw around on things like this.

 

[Timebuilder]

Sometimes, what a job site sells is false hope.

 

[bart]

Well put TB. I did some research, very subjective, and found that for each 1,000 internet job applications made, one can expect between 4 and 12 interviews. It takes 7 to 9 months for climbto350 to post 1,000 jobs.

Do the math. It is false hope at $89.00 a pop. All of these sites steal ads from each other, or worse, they make them up. I know for a fact that a job I posted this time last year is making the rounds again this year with an email addy that is a black hole.

My advice, network, network, network. People hire who they know or who someone they trust knows, that is it and that is that.

 

[tG114]

Aviation Employment Board

Hi Bart,

If I might ask, please let me know if that "fake opening" made it to my site, the Aviation Employment Board.

I spend a lot of time investigating the legitimacy of openings. Approximately 20% of the posted jobs are directly from companies with the remaining amount culled from my research and contacts.

To set the record straight, I do not have memberships in any of the other boards, so I'm not able to swipe openings from them [not that I'd want to either]. Honestly, I am sure that we use some of the same sources for finding openings so perhaps that is why some of the same postings can be found all over.

If I learn of a bogus or suspect opening, I promptly remove it. At the same time I've removed jobs that were listed after the number of hits started to get very high and the company complained of being inundated with resumes. I guess that means my site is successful.

Should anyone have any questions or suggestions for the new and free Aviation Employment Board, I would appreciate the feedback to my email address at [email protected].

BTW, your visits do make a difference as I can charge advertisers accordingly and keep the site free. No, I have no plans to start charging as I think I have some of the best leads in the business and, therefore, the most interest of the aviation community.

Thank you everyone for your support.

Regards,
Matt Keegan
Aviation Employment Board
http://pub48.ezboard.com/baviationemploymentboard

 

[Resume Writer]

Re: Aviation Employment Board

Hi Bart,

If I might ask, please let me know if that "fake opening" made it to my site, the Aviation Employment Board.

I spend a lot of time investigating the legitimacy of openings. Approximately 20% of the posted jobs are directly from companies with the remaining amount culled from my research and contacts.

To set the record straight, I do not have memberships in any of the other boards, so I'm not able to swipe openings from them [not that I'd want to either]. Honestly, I am sure that we use some of the same sources for finding openings so perhaps that is why some of the same postings can be found all over.

If I learn of a bogus or suspect opening, I promptly remove it. At the same time I've removed jobs that were listed after the number of hits started to get very high and the company complained of being inundated with resumes. I guess that means my site is successful.

Should anyone have any questions or suggestions for the new and free Aviation Employment Board, I would appreciate the feedback to my email address at [email protected].

BTW, your visits do make a difference as I can charge advertisers accordingly and keep the site free. No, I have no plans to start charging as I think I have some of the best leads in the business and, therefore, the most interest of the aviation community.

Thank you everyone for your support.

Regards,
Matt Keegan
Aviation Employment Board
http://pub48.ezboard.com/baviationemploymentboard

Matt,

I have a suggestion for you. Can you classify your jobs instead of them being an endless stream? It makes it very hard to sort through the jobs when they are not in a separate category like Pilot, FA, MX Tech, etc. People have a short attention span on the internet, so making it as easy as possible benefits everyone.

Kathy

 

[DesertFalcon]

Re: Aviation Employment Board

Hi, Matt...

Thanks for the information relating to your Jobs board. I have just taken a quick visit of your board. It looks like you have a lot of jobs there!

I'll be a regular visitor, leaving Climbto350.com far behind!

(Landing Now) if I can find the landing gear handle?

DesertFalcon

Hi Bart,


Should anyone have any questions or suggestions for the new and free Aviation Employment Board, I would appreciate the feedback to my email address at [email protected].

 

[tG114]

Classified Categories

At some point in the future I may classify the jobs, perhaps if I move the board from EZBoard to a more sophisticated site. Right now I do strongly urge everyone to click on the "Search" feature. If you enter the correct word such as: pilot, first officer, flight attendant, etc. a list of all those openings only will show up.

Good suggestion!


Matt Keegan
Aviation Employment Board
http://pub48.ezboard.com/baviationemploymentboard

 

[Midnight Mike]

I noticed that last week with Climbto350.com but I thought that maybe it was a bug in the system, but
if everything is restricted to members only, then I have no reason to visit the site. I am quite confident that they experience a major drop of f in people visiting the site.

If you are looking for work, visit this free employment website,

http://pub48.ezboard.com/faviationemploymentboardfrm7

 

[spinfreezone]

This is as old as the internet, put up a free service, build a following, and when the time is right pull the plug and start charging for it. This strategy has failed time and time again but people keep trying to get away with it. No one is going to pay money to view things on the internet, there's just too much out there to make it worthwhile to pay for content. Wasn't there an interview site that tried to do the same thing a while back? I'll be d#mned if I'm going to be some internet hacks second income. Give it another few weeks someone else will throw up site, then in a couple of years they'll try the same thing, then someone else will put up a site.... Ahh the internet.

 

[Publishers]

Advertising

In general, the ads on these sites do not come close to paying the tab for the creation and maintenance of them.

Ask Mark from this one. He has as many ads as most of them. When we were part of AEPS, we had a track record that most could not come close too. Just the magazine on line edition had excellent numbers. The ads though never really paid.