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Of course she's going to whine and cry about how that mean FA insulted her kid. Everyone loves to hate the airlines these days.
She claims the FA told her to drug her obnoxious kid, but claims she made no threat. I'm betting she told that FA "I'm gonna beat your skinny a__ as soon as we park". She seems two steps from a trailer.
She claims the FA told her to drug her obnoxious kid, but claims she made no threat. I'm betting she told that FA "I'm gonna beat your skinny a__ as soon as we park". She seems two steps from a trailer.
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Interesting.......
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Yea! I am sure since the flight was 10 hours late she was in a cheerful mood!
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Why two?
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Agreed. Hmmmmmmm!
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http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3374063
Watch for yourself. Amazing backfire for the media presenting the viewers with the "Poor Mommy and Baby Story!!"
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Tim, you are right and the only answer these days is First Class - just to get away from the riff raff.
This kid was a lap child. In the studio THREE adults could not adequately restrain the boy to keep him on the couch using picture books, toys, food and all the pandering possible. Even though the producers cut tape and did a Michael Moore style editing job to make the mother and child sympathetic, even Mom said her kid pitched the fit of all fits the next day on the airplane and the crew gave the child juice and food (which surely got thrown all overthe cabin and just as surely Mom would not have deigned to clean up)
I could easily see that the child would not have remained in a 18 inch wide seat for long. Maybe the FA attendent correctly told Mom she would have to keep her lap child in her lap and chubby chip on her shoulder Mom decided to make an issue out of it. We don't know, we have only heard one side of the story.
On a E145, there is not much room and no place to breathe. As long as the FAA makes a big deal out of the cabin announcements, crew members will properly follow the mandate. Just a handful of passengers care about the safety annoucements and I think that is what we are seeing with the ladies who think the Mom should be allowed to let her kid scream, squirm and generally be a menace to everyone else without any recourse, not to mention any responsibility.
And where is this kid's father?
This kid was a lap child. In the studio THREE adults could not adequately restrain the boy to keep him on the couch using picture books, toys, food and all the pandering possible. Even though the producers cut tape and did a Michael Moore style editing job to make the mother and child sympathetic, even Mom said her kid pitched the fit of all fits the next day on the airplane and the crew gave the child juice and food (which surely got thrown all overthe cabin and just as surely Mom would not have deigned to clean up)
I could easily see that the child would not have remained in a 18 inch wide seat for long. Maybe the FA attendent correctly told Mom she would have to keep her lap child in her lap and chubby chip on her shoulder Mom decided to make an issue out of it. We don't know, we have only heard one side of the story.
On a E145, there is not much room and no place to breathe. As long as the FAA makes a big deal out of the cabin announcements, crew members will properly follow the mandate. Just a handful of passengers care about the safety annoucements and I think that is what we are seeing with the ladies who think the Mom should be allowed to let her kid scream, squirm and generally be a menace to everyone else without any recourse, not to mention any responsibility.
And where is this kid's father?
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Two trailers down.
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In another forum I wrote four paragraph's expressing the same thing and you said it in fifteen words...
The kid was making noise true but he was 19 months old. Never had kids? Just wait. The FA started taking it personally and did not use good judgement in her decision to escalate this into more than it was. Her remarks about the giving the kid drugs is most likely her greatest mistake. She started taking the situation personally and let her emotions rule.
In her defense 50 peopleis too many for one FA, there should be two since the flight deck crew can no longer go back for a better prospective on the situation. Letting one FA be Judge Judy is not wise.
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true, despite the striking similar appearance in most cases!!!
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Your idea of how kids should behave and how parents should correct them lacks experience in the real world of parenting.
Put any 19 month old in front of bright lights, strange people and make him wait to "go on" and you might be surprized at that few would enjoy it.
You may judge the mother and kid but I've hear nothing from you about the FA turning an airplane around full of people who wanted to get home. Or suggesting that the mother drug her child. If anyone is guilty of irresponible behavior it's not the 19 month old it's the FA. She lost control of the situation the moment she let it become personal.
She told all the passenger's "This is my airplane" Really?
Maybe she can sell it, she's going to need the money.
And this attitude right here is why kids in America are so $*%&ed up.
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Oh ********************, here we go again. Last time we got into this, we had a 15 page thread....
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Hey it's wasn't the kid who wanted drugs it was the flight attendant who wanted him to take them. Now what the FA was taking I don't know. Maybe she missed a med.
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My brother I got our asses busted when we acted out in public as kids...19 months or otherwise. Only took us a couple times to realize when mom or dad says sit there and be quiet, you sit there and be quiet. My brother does the same with his 17 month old son, and I plan on doing the exact same with my children.
Guess we're in the minority?
Guess we're in the minority?
I just saw this story resurrected on Fox news tonight (Geraldo, who's so compassionate) and saw the mother, father complaining about the airline and the little child almost trowing a fit on live TV. The interview was about two minutes. The first minute was Geraldo interviewing the parents, and then shots of the little kid, who by this time was throwing a fit in the hands of the parents.
In this industry you need to impress EVERY guest on board your aircraft. ERJs aren't that big, and when you have a screaming child, it makes the flight intollerable for every guest on board your aircraft. Then you're forced with a decision, do you bump a mom and dad who don't know how to make their child behave, or let them stay and make the flight miserable for 80 percent of the rest of the passengers. It was the captains decision, and the airline can more easily deal with two unsatisfied customers than the whole plane who will then go and tell all of their friends "it was the WORST flight ever on "xxxxx".
It sounds like these parents need to learn how to get their kid to behave in public, or avoid public transportation because of him. That's the price you pay when deciding to have kids and then not teach them how to behave in public. And then go after the airline for trying to please the rest of the guests on their aircraft. That's just absurd.
In this industry you need to impress EVERY guest on board your aircraft. ERJs aren't that big, and when you have a screaming child, it makes the flight intollerable for every guest on board your aircraft. Then you're forced with a decision, do you bump a mom and dad who don't know how to make their child behave, or let them stay and make the flight miserable for 80 percent of the rest of the passengers. It was the captains decision, and the airline can more easily deal with two unsatisfied customers than the whole plane who will then go and tell all of their friends "it was the WORST flight ever on "xxxxx".
It sounds like these parents need to learn how to get their kid to behave in public, or avoid public transportation because of him. That's the price you pay when deciding to have kids and then not teach them how to behave in public. And then go after the airline for trying to please the rest of the guests on their aircraft. That's just absurd.
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Lucky for you your parents didn't use logic and compassion, you might have turned out to be an axe murderer.
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"Logic and compassion" doesn't get a child to behave...discipline does. A healthy fear of punishment from my parents kept me out of trouble as a child, and it taught me a thing or two about the proper way to act as an adult.
From my observations today, most coddled children and their acquiescing parents don't know anything about that...
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I am probably the BIGGEST fan of discipline that you will ever find. I believe in spanking and such. I think ritalin is the dumbest drug ever invented, that self esteem should be earned, not given, and that kids are these days, generally spoiled. All this BS about A.D.D. today is 90% an excuse for lazy, poor performance and a lack of motivation caused by absentee parents and the result of the greatest invention of American history...the Murphy Brown single mom ethic (it looks like Dan Quayle was right after all).
I am also the first one to stand up for an FA when warranted (which I consider to be almost all the time). But you people seem to miss a few things here. I watched the 6 minutes on the interview where the kid was "unrestrainable" as one of you put it. It seemed to me that all that was needed was to take him out of the bright lights and be held. He calmed down pretty darn fast after that. I watched the numerous other feeds too. Point 1: this event was after an 11 hour delay. What do expect but for a 1 & 1/2 year old to be like? 11 frickity dickity hours, most adults behave worse.
Point 2: Not even ONE other passenger is siding with the FA. It would seem to me that if it was that bad, that the FA would have at least one person behind her.
Point 3: I have been on planes, so many times where there is a crying baby and here are all these nasty looks. And on that same plane, a yapping dog making more moise than the baby. The same people glaring at the baby make all the cutesy little "ooooh, look at the little BABY!! SO CUTE!". But guess what...they're talking about the DOG!!! W-T-F??!!!
My point? I have seen both sides of the story and it just seems we had some FA who hates kids and lied to the CA just to show she's boss. I'm sure had it been that terrible that someone, anyone would have come up to back up the FA. She's alone on this one. And especially aftert an 11 hour delay, someone should have been impatient enough to complain about the kid. But sorry...just the FA. She has no case here.
I am also the first one to stand up for an FA when warranted (which I consider to be almost all the time). But you people seem to miss a few things here. I watched the 6 minutes on the interview where the kid was "unrestrainable" as one of you put it. It seemed to me that all that was needed was to take him out of the bright lights and be held. He calmed down pretty darn fast after that. I watched the numerous other feeds too. Point 1: this event was after an 11 hour delay. What do expect but for a 1 & 1/2 year old to be like? 11 frickity dickity hours, most adults behave worse.
Point 2: Not even ONE other passenger is siding with the FA. It would seem to me that if it was that bad, that the FA would have at least one person behind her.
Point 3: I have been on planes, so many times where there is a crying baby and here are all these nasty looks. And on that same plane, a yapping dog making more moise than the baby. The same people glaring at the baby make all the cutesy little "ooooh, look at the little BABY!! SO CUTE!". But guess what...they're talking about the DOG!!! W-T-F??!!!
My point? I have seen both sides of the story and it just seems we had some FA who hates kids and lied to the CA just to show she's boss. I'm sure had it been that terrible that someone, anyone would have come up to back up the FA. She's alone on this one. And especially aftert an 11 hour delay, someone should have been impatient enough to complain about the kid. But sorry...just the FA. She has no case here.
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