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suupah

suupah

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CJC: ALPA or IBT. vote and reasoning.

Which do you prefer for CJC.

Please post your preference and your reasoning.

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ALPA

I think ALPA is a better fit for CJC because

-They are a better advocate for our profession with the folks in Washington. IBT does no such thing on behalf of pilots
- Other autonomous unions such as Southwest's pilot union contract ALPA for their services because they have the best services available to pilots during negotiations.
- In the event of a merger with another ALPA group we stand the best chance of a "fair and equitable" seniority integration
- I want to join with the 55000 plus other pilots in ALPA to make this profession as good as it possibly can be.
 
hopefully colgan will go out of business soon and you won't have to worry about unions
 
ALPA is better if you get into an accident/incident.

An in-house union is better for everything else. I think this is because they are solely responsible for and aware of your pilot group.

Just my opinion.
 
labbats said:
ALPA is better if you get into an accident/incident.

An in-house union is better for everything else. I think this is because they are solely responsible for and aware of your pilot group.

Just my opinion.
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How is ALPA not solely responsible for and aware of their pilot group?
 
labbats said:
ALPA is better if you get into an accident/incident.

An in-house union is better for everything else. I think this is because they are solely responsible for and aware of your pilot group.

Just my opinion.
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I'm living through the horrors of an in-house union right now. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
 
suupah said:
ALPA

I think ALPA is a better fit for CJC because

-They are a better advocate for our profession with the folks in Washington. IBT does no such thing on behalf of pilots
- Other autonomous unions such as Southwest's pilot union contract ALPA for their services because they have the best services available to pilots during negotiations.
- In the event of a merger with another ALPA group we stand the best chance of a "fair and equitable" seniority integration
- I want to join with the 55000 plus other pilots in ALPA to make this profession as good as it possibly can be.
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ALPA for all the reasons above plus aeromedical services and other services god-for-bid one needs em.
 
No in house union's president sits before Congress and offers testimony.

No in house union belongs to an international federation of pilot unions. Why is this important? Because we are competing with the worlds pilots as well as our own. If we don't help other pilots up, they will pull us down.

In house unions cannot strike because there is simply no money to pay for the strike. Management knows this when they come to the negotiation table (nor not). Just compare the UPS and Fedex contracts!
 
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Rez O. Lewshun said:
No in house union's president sits before Congress and offers testimony.

No in house union belongs to an international federation of pilot unions. Why is this important? Because we are competing with the worlds pilots as well as our own. If we don't help other pilots up, they will pull us down.

In house unions cannot strike because there is simply no money to pay for the strike. Management knows this when they come to the negotiation table (nor not). Just compare the UPS and Fedex contracts!
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Gimme an A! Gimme an L! Gimme an P! Gimme an A! What's that spell? Rah! Rah! Goooooooooo ALPA!!!!
:puke:
 
In spite of ALPA's shortcomings I believe they offer some excellent individual services.

As Afraid mentioned the aeromedical services and the loss of license insurance too. You're really gaining the strength of a larger association by going "out of house"
 
Colgan
 
i agree man. that guy is a total loser (jelly). I hope he loses his job or gets violated and never flys again. that would be a blessing to the airline community. and i hope he cant afford to feed family.
 
BOX OFFICE said:
Gimme an A! Gimme an L! Gimme an P! Gimme an A! What's that spell? Rah! Rah! Goooooooooo ALPA!!!!
:puke:
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With your affinity for keeping Rez and PCL in check (a favorite pastime of mine, as well), you are quickly becoming my new favorite poster...I <3 smartarse chicks.

Do you have a sister? (I'm kidding...really.)
 
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Nice

Mr Wu said:
Hey Jelly spine, you can get off Colgan now that the two guys that saw you get yelled at like a little biatch by big gay Michael in BOS have moved on. Remember, if you get off Colgan they'll get off your mom.
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Nicely said, Wu. Swe'gen!

GO ALPA!
 
How bout ALPA, when and if we merge the lists with pinnicle, you really think the IBT is going to dump alot of money into us? Seeing as how they will be the minority and us Colgan pilot arent big enough to force a vote to see which Union will represent us. They all got warts, but ALPA seems to have fewer!
 
TristarJS30 said:
Hey I gotta ask... What exactly has ALPA "taken back" once it lost it?

(stirring the pot)
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After 9-11 when pilots gave major concessions to the airlines, ALPA has been working very hard and succeeding at getting the concessions back as the industry got stronger. Among other things....

Of course, now that the industry is in decline again with the economy and fuel prices...

Having an all pilot union ALPA, on our side, pilots are represented and have a seat at the table when these concessions are talked about again.

Among other things, of course.
 
WalterSobchak said:
With your affinity for keeping Rez and PCL in check (a favorite pastime of mine, as well), you are quickly becoming my new favorite poster...I <3 smartarse chicks.

Do you have a sister? (I'm kidding...really.)
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Grab a napkin, Walter, I think you have a little In-N-Out secret sauce on your nose. :p
 
BOX OFFICE said:
Nothing as constructive as your constant ALPA cheerleading, punctuated by your rants of how much better ALPA would be if us stupid, lazy, uninformed members would just get involved.
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Do you think democracy would be better or worse with informed and educated members who participate?
 
If I was able to vote this year, I'd be voting ALPA. It's a pilots union, and at least all the officers have walked a few miles in an airline pilots shoes. CJC's pilots need representation now more than at anytime in their future. Good luck to all my CJC friends on the vote!
 

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