Civilian perspective on USN carrier ops

[huronip]

Wasn't a MiG.

Ya, according to the Chinese the nimble P-3 rammed the big lumbering F-8.

EP-3 and an F-8II

 

[SIG600]

The Yankee Imperialist P-3, btw.

You forgot the part about them being over Chinese soil too.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

You forgot the part about them being over Chinese soil too.

In light of all of this talk about "MiG" killin', considering pilotyip (who last flew in the Navy when sideburns AND marijuana were legal) thinks the EP-3 actually killed a MiG, maybe we should pay tribute to the celebrated and now State Treasurer MiG Killer of Indiana/Nebraska/InsertBoringMidwesternStateHere Treasurer ....... Shane Osborne.

I'd like to thank Absolut and Grey Goose for the humor in this post, if any.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

PilotYIP flew in the NAVY????

I didn't realize he was so young.

I thought he flew in the Army Air Corps!

cliff
YIP

 

[pilotyip]

I actually have a round about connection to the EP-3 incident. The CAL Pac Chief Pilot who picked up the crew in China was a an Ex Navy P-3 pilot who I trained to fly the P-A/B in my reserve squadron in Detoit back in 80. BTW The Mig thing came from one of those internet things going around right after the incident, the top 10 reasons it was better to be a P-3 pilot than a pilot in CVW-14.

 

[skywiz]

C-2 Greyhound

COD = "Curling the hair of Dumb reporters" I love it! (actually true)

Many boat guys make fun of COD guys.. but it still is one of the ... if not.. the hardest planes to land on the boat.

SW

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I actually have a round about connection to the EP-3 incident. The CAL Pac Chief Pilot who picked up the crew in China was a an Ex Navy P-3 pilot who I trained to fly the P-A/B in my reserve squadron in Detoit back in 80. BTW The Mig thing came from one of those internet things going around right after the incident, the top 10 reasons it was better to be a P-3 pilot than a pilot in CVW-14.

If only you know what you think you know.

 

[SIG600]

In light of all of this talk about "MiG" killin', considering pilotyip (who last flew in the Navy when sideburns AND marijuana were legal) thinks the EP-3 actually killed a MiG, maybe we should pay tribute to the celebrated and now State Treasurer MiG Killer of Indiana/Nebraska/InsertBoringMidwesternStateHere Treasurer ....... Shane Osborne.

I'd like to thank Absolut and Grey Goose for the humor in this post, if any.

Ohhhh... you went there.

 

[pilotyip]

Not the C-1 COD

COD = "Curling the hair of Dumb reporters" I love it! (actually true)

Many boat guys make fun of COD guys.. but it still is one of the ... if not.. the hardest planes to land on the boat.

SW

In fact we had call ahead to the ship to slow down so we could catch it. Had to Delta on the starborad side in a pattern with the helo, recover while the ship was starting turn

 

[pilotyip]

its OK

If only you know what you think you know.

Actually think it is one of those aviation is a very small world things and you don't have to go very far before you run accross someone who knows someone you know

 

[guppygoshawk]

COD = "Curling the hair of Dumb reporters" I love it! (actually true)

Many boat guys make fun of COD guys.. but it still is one of the ... if not.. the hardest planes to land on the boat.

SW

I think there are quite a few Prowler guys that'd disagree with you...... and they do it at night.

 

[SIG600]

I think there are quite a few Prowler guys that'd disagree with you...... and they do it at night.

Agreed. Instant torque on hand is a lot different than waiting for a turbojet to spool up. Especially when you're closing on the ramp 60-70 knots faster.

 

[milky]

COD = "Curling the hair of Dumb reporters" I love it! (actually true)

Many boat guys make fun of COD guys.. but it still is one of the ... if not.. the hardest planes to land on the boat.

SW

COD guys have the life. I'm sure there must be a downfall somewhere. I just never saw it! I would actually volunteer to go on cruise again if I could be a COD guy!

 

[skywiz]

Not trying to start a flame war. Just stating what I have heard. I have also heard the EA-6B is one of the hardest as well. I am sure nights suck.

They are both quite different though. I will say this. I initially CQ'd in the T-45A and that was definitely a challenge. Once I finished, I was feeling pretty dam good about myself... then I got to fly the COD... my confidence dwindled fast. I couldn't fly that bird worth cr@p. Many don't realize the huge amount of yaw instability due to the close proximity of the engines to the fuselage. Also throw in the pitchfeel system which causes the nose to be very pitch sensitive. To give you an example... everytime you add power(on the ball-in most cases), you must trim/push nose down to counter pitchfeel to keep onspeed AND add just enough right rudder to counter the tendancy of nose to yaw to the left. Its the equivalent of driving a big dump truck.

QOL is great. Can't complain. The only real downfall is the lack of opportunity for progression above making command. For example... a COD guy has never made CAG, Admiral, etc.

 

[PUCKFA18]

COD Command capability

Are you sure about that?? I could have sworn that I ran into a COD 07 back in early 90's.

 

[skywiz]

I find that hard to believe. Back then many C2 guys had flown many other airframes. Now a days, more are pure C2 guys.

 

[PimpJuice]

COD = "Curling the hair of Dumb reporters" I love it! (actually true)

Many boat guys make fun of COD guys.. but it still is one of the ... if not.. the hardest planes to land on the boat.

SW

Day time only and mostly straight ins? Hawkeyes dude!! Probably tough in the Prowler with the crazy AOA but you still have two huge advantages: visibility and wingspan. Try flying blind for 1/2 the approach turn with your only visual coming from the right seater looking through the ditching hatch to spot the ship. Good times.

 

[PimpJuice]

I find that hard to believe. Back then many C2 guys had flown many other airframes. Now a days, more are pure C2 guys.

Except for all the S-3 guys making the transition.

 

[SIG600]

You guys think that's hard, try a Mode One.... oh wait... never mind.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Ohhhh... you went there.

http://www.amazon.com/Born-Fly-Shan...2080147?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210441596&sr=1-1

You can get one for $.01, used. I miss those website pictures of him riding motorcycles with his best friend the Master Chief.