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Heck, I'd wear my Bermuda shorts and go topless and barefoot if I could get away with it. Standard sailing attire except for the safety harness if you venture very far on deck. Just dont want to be another freakin Lt. Col. Ya know what I mean? But it is a great organization.
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Yes, THAT'S funny. (I am just jealous)
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zeek said:
OK- its not as funny as the Fact that "Jet Blue " hasn't paid any money on it leases yet- Now thats funny-

Yes, there's something hilariously funny about making fun of old men in tennis shoes. It gets funnier every time you say it.

And I'm just ROTFLMAO at the JetBlue financial scam rumor that's been making its rounds for the past couple of years. It's just a scream.

You are indeed a poet of witty utterances, zeek. A true master of the subtle shades and delicate edge of sophisticated merriment. How I envy you.
 
HOLY SH!T...

5 pages of a p!ssing contest about the CAP and Zeek giving multiple lessons on how to be a d!ck.

What entertainment!
 
Here’s a question for those of you who have been active in the CAP cadet program. Have you ever had to counsel cadets either individually, or as a group about ignoring their peers who are ridiculing them? Had to reassure them that their involvement in CAP was something to be proud of, and the nay-sayers were losers who should be ignored? I’ll bet you have, and I’ll further venture to say that if no cadet has ever expressed these concerns to you, you may not have had as a good a rapport with the cadets as you’d like to imagine.
In eight years as a cadet and another 9 as a senior member (5 of those as a cadet unit commander), I'd have to say absolutely, unequivocally NO. CAP cadets may not be football team captains or cheerleaders, but they aren't the school chess club, either. "Band fags" indeed....what instrument did you say you play, Zeek?

A substantial number of posters here have a really mistaken impression of what CAP's cadet program is about--either that, or they base their opinion on only a year or two in the program. The Cadet Program's mission statement, pure and simple, is to develop dynamic Americans and aerospace leaders--which, by and large, we accomplish quite well with those who stick with the program long-term. It's got nothing to do with saluting or pushups (which, by the way, have been "outlawed" as a "leadership" tactic for years now), or even military uniforms--those are all simply tools to teach the larger lessons of responsible leadership. Due to many of the same ills documented here ad nauseum, CAP has a horrendous retention rate--we lose something close to 50% of 1st year cadets each year. And that's a shame, because those folks miss out on the real value to be gained from the program in later phases. But I have to tell you, I've seen some really awe-inspiring performances from some of our more senior cadets when it's their turn to step up to the plate as cadet leaders responsible for upwards of 350 of their peers at some of our larger activities.

A question for everyone here wondering about the significance of that last statement: when in your career, if ever, do you expect to have supervisory responsibility for that many people, even briefly? For you captains: you've got a great deal of knowledge and experience in flying airplanes, and have a huge amount of responsibility for lives and equipment, but what the he11 do you really know about leadership? How to brow-beat your FO? Or how to get an FA to refill your coffee before it's cold? Sure, we do it in a controlled training environment, but I doubt if a great many of you could handle what some of our 20-year-old cadets have on that score.

As for objections to CAP and your tax dollars, the federally appropriated funds CAP receives are almost entirely for operations and maintenance for what is the world's largest fleet of single-engine Cessnas, and are but a fraction of the money that would be spent if the missions we perform had to be accomplished by USAF resources. Cries that CAP shouldn't receive your tax dollars are simply penny-wise and pound-foolish.

All this to say that pretty much everyone but Zeek has valid points--and that like every organization, from your neighborhood cub scout den to a fighter squadron aboard USS Stennis to the boardroom at United, CAP has its strengths and weaknesses. CAP suffers horribly from many of the ills adequately documented here--from the security guard wearing oak leaves to the pint-sized prepubescent drowning in his uniform, to stunning embarrassments brought on by the national "leadership"--but in the aggregate, CAP remains a worthwhile organization performing worthwhile missions for our communities and our country.

For those of you with nothing but negative things to say about CAP: if your glass is so half-empty that you cannot acknowledge the sacrifices of time, effort and money that CAP's volunteers expend for your benefit without disparaging them as "wannabees" with uniform fetishes and whatnot, perhaps you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and deal with your own issues before worrying about someone else's.
 
CAP

Dynamite post, VFR on Top.

I recall that the cadets in our CAP squadron were heads and shoulders above their peers in high school ROTC. Something I found very curious because ROTC was course in which they enrolled and were graded.
 
I'm sure there are good and bad pilots at the CAP. From my experience, most of these guys spend all their time on the ground preaching to everyone about safety, then they get in their Cessnas and proceed to scare the he11 out of anyone flying within ten miles of them.

I can't even begin to list some of the bone-headed things I've seen the pilots of one CAP group do. My adrenaline glands would go into overdrive when I'd hear "CAP flight XXX" check on with center, using the same frequency I was on.

Then there was that twelve year old, dressed in his uniform, drunk on his power, who barked at me, his voice cracking from puberty, to get behind some invisible line because I was too close to an aircraft on display at an airshow in Muskogee, Oklahoma. I couldn't decide if I should be amused or humiliated.

Sky Nazis...that's what we called them.

I'm sure some units are better than others.
 
zeek said:
Has anybody seen my Nomex flight suit and white tennis shoes?- we have to launch the "Ready Alert 5" - there seems to be a missing puppy in the neighborhood-- "Listen here Cadet- this is the supreme commander- I don't care if you are only in third grade and your bed time is 7:00 pm (1900 hrs for the CAP)- you need to get out of your jammies and run down to the Air Field to wash the windscreens of the "Ready Alert 5" - And when I see you - you better be in full dress uniform (flight suit and tennis shoes) and render me the proper military respect - - I don't care if I am only the school janitor- (by day) - tonight I am the Supreme Commander- - Cadet don't back talk- this is a red alert- I hope this doesn't come out of Oskosh fly in budget- to hell with the budget - there's a puppy out there- Saddle up boyz - were goin flyin!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

Zeek, if nothing else, you have a terrific sense of humor.
 
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I recall that the cadets in our CAP squadron were heads and shoulders above their peers in high school ROTC. Something I found very curious because ROTC was course in which they enrolled and were graded.
My CAP background put me head and shoulders above my peers (and many of my upperclassmen) in college AFROTC--without so much as breaking a sweat I was ranked #1 in a class of 60 my freshman year. While everyone else was worrying about when/how to salute or how to wear the uniform properly or learning which major command(s) the fighters belonged to--all of which was second-nature to me after 7 years of CAP--I was able to wow the full-time cadre by focusing on the stuff that actually mattered. All that other stuff is expected as a matter of course, but shouldn't ever dominate your focus--and so it is with CAP, at least for me. I'd just as soon go to a squadron meeting in civvies, but wear a uniform anyway--and correctly--simply because that's the proper example a leader should set. I owe those who willingly follow my lead at least that much.
 
The original poster asked what was done on a mission.

California Wing Civil Air Patrol had one mission last weekend with 15 ELT signals to locate (DF'd). This particular mission does not include the two ELTs from a gear up in Santa Monica or a fatal crash in Corona, nor the 5 ELTs in Northern California. The following is a transcript of the mission results. Keep in mind that each ELT signal transmitting can block other ELT signals, one of which might be attached to a crash with survivors waiting to be rescued.

Search mission AFRCC 02M2644 was opened 08 November and closed 10 November 2002 for numerous ELT signals in the Gorman, Oxnard and Lake Elsinore areas.
Signal #1 at Gorman timed out prior to launching of resources.
Signal #2 was located and secured by airport personnel at Oxnard Airport. Thanks to Jon Wordsworth for assisting as Northern Branch director.
Signal #3 was located at Lake Elsinore airstrip in a Twin Otter,
Signal #4 was located at a joint use facility for the San Diego County Sheriff's Aviation unit and the California Department of Forestry. The unit was found on a shelf inside the facility.
Signal #5 was for an ELT signal in the Victorville area. Signal was never detected and timed out.
Signal #6 was for an ELT signal in the Lake Elsinore area again. Signal DF'ed by ground teams to the San Bernadino County Sheriff's Aviation facility at Rialto Field. ELT located in a Eurocopter, and secured.
Signal #7 was for a signal in the Fontana area. Signal was DF'ed by ground teams to the Sheriff's aviation unit at Rialto Field and secured in the same Eurocopter.
Signal #8 was for an ELT signal in the March AFB area.Signal located and secured by CAP ground team at San Bernadino International Airport in a P-3 Orion.
Signal #9 was for an ELT in the Colton area. Signal located and secured by CAP ground teams in a San Bernadino County Sheriff's Eurocopter at Rialto Field (different one).
Signal #10 was for an ELT signal in the Redlands area. Signal ceased as it was being DF'ed by ground teams to a residential neighborhood.
Signal #11 was for an ELT signal in the Desert Center (East Riverside County) area. Signal DF'ed by CAP aircraft to Palm Springs Airport. Signal located and secured by CAP ground team in an United Express turbo prop.
Signals #12 & 13 ceased for an ELT in the East Riverside County area when signal #11 was turned off.
Signal #14 was for an ELT signal off the coast of Long Beach. Signal was DF'ed by ground teams to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Aviation unit at Long Beach Airport.
Special thanks to the Long Beach Fire Department for their assistance in locating this signal.
Signal #15 was for an ELT signal in the Long Beach area. Signal ceased prior to being located.
Thanks to the total of 17 personnel who signed on the mission, the dozens of others who remained on stand-by and the support of the Group alerting officers and personnel at the LACC for their
assistance. Additionally to all of those who put up with all those pages!
Just another "routine" mission.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein
 
ELT in a P-3 Orion, eh? You sure about that?

BTW, You should go check out the Oh Sh*t thread.
 

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