CitationAir How Much Longer

[imacdog]

....but not much, and if the difference in staying in business is whether a pilot union exists or not, then I believe you'll agree with me that CA was in rough shape. Considering you don't even have a pilot contract yet (let alone your inability to identify specific costs), any cost to the company so far has been slim at best.

 

[G4dude]

Logical falsies:
A Post Hoc is a fallacy with the following form:

A occurs before B.
Therefore A is the cause of B.
The Post Hoc fallacy derives its name from the Latin phrase "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc." This has been traditionally interpreted as "After this, therefore because of this." This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that one event causes another simply because the proposed cause occurred before the proposed effect. More formally, the fallacy involves concluding that A causes or caused B because A occurs before B and there is not sufficient evidence to actually warrant such a claim.

Not surprisingly, many superstitions are probably based on Post Hoc reasoning. For example, suppose a person buys a good luck charm, does well on his exam, and then concludes that the good luck charm caused him to do well. This person would have fallen victim to the Post Hoc fallacy.

Post Hoc fallacies are typically committed because people are simply not careful enough when they reason.

The logic is this, it seems to me, Cessna was on the fence with CA, but was willing to keep trying to make it more profitable. Then the union gets voted in, and Cessna says, "That's it, now we have an additional financial burden which makes CA a bad bet, so lets dump it." That's what I think happened. Sometimes B causes A, when A was close to happening anyway.

 

[jonjuan]

The logic is this, it seems to me,

We just discovered your problem

 

[RCR5]

God damn get over yourself. The shear existence of the union, the creation of a split pilot group because and from the Union, The company having to expend time, money, manpower to deal with first the threat of and then the actual Union. the Unknown real dollar impact of having a non profit making cost to the companies bottom line called a Union, having to quell the anguish and the angst of the REAL customers that actually pay the bills feelings towards first the threat of a union then the actuality of the Union ( they all are smart folks that KNOW THE UNION WILL COAST THEM MONEY) so having to deal with the why the hell should I stay with your union company when it will cost me more.

There are so many damn things the union has done to the CA bottom line. Again you wont like these and WILL fufu them as BS but they are the tangible intangible facts Union always bring. But you have never done more than be a leach on a company and as such know nothing as to the damage a union really does........

I guess he really was that stupid. I don't have the patience to deal with these first graders as well as you do Rigger. Nice job.

 

[G4dude]

God damn get over yourself. The shear existence of the union, the creation of a split pilot group because and from the Union, The company having to expend time, money, manpower to deal with first the threat of and then the actual Union. the Unknown real dollar impact of having a non profit making cost to the companies bottom line called a Union, having to quell the anguish and the angst of the REAL customers that actually pay the bills feelings towards first the threat of a union then the actuality of the Union ( they all are smart folks that KNOW THE UNION WILL COAST THEM MONEY) so having to deal with the why the hell should I stay with your union company when it will cost me more.

There are so many damn things the union has done to the CA bottom line. Again you wont like these and WILL fufu them as BS but they are the tangible intangible facts Union always bring. But you have never done more than be a leach on a company and as such know nothing as to the damage a union really does........

Right on. This seems to be self evident, but not to Union people who don't understand corporate boards expect profit and the prospect of making future profit. The purpose of a company's existence is not to provide jobs at the expense of a profitable return for the investors. Rigger, you are a good man.

 

[rigger]

....but not much, and if the difference in staying in business is whether a pilot union exists or not, then I believe you'll agree with me that CA was in rough shape. Considering you don't even have a pilot contract yet (let alone your inability to identify specific costs), any cost to the company so far has been slim at best.

Yes Sir CA is in rough shape today, and has been in rough shape for some time, they had a good new business plan about 1 year ago but for whatever reason abandoned that and went with plane 3...... as for the company expending money they have spent a crap load did they need too that my friend is another story but non the less in the name of getting the u ion off property the company spent hundreds of thousands.....they had 8-10 get to know you hello dinners in MCO over an 8 moth period to quell the union myths...... they also had 5-6 city meetings doing the same thing..... so flights in (private jet) drinks (open Bar) and dinners (steak and shrimp) the spent a fortune....was it a wise use of money....NO!!!!!!! wish they spent oit on other tangible items but hey still money spent on the union...... lawyers spent on the union, mailings spent on the unions, Phone info sessions spent on the the union.......agreed if they did not have to spend the money but they felt like they had no choice but to spend the money.....now money being spent on the contract negotiations in the sense of time of the officers, plane /charter cost for employees time and how do you put a finger on it intangebale costs from the angst the customer feels about the Union....good or bad the customers typically do not trust or like a union at a conmany......I think they have spent anout 2-300K without the real intangible cost yet....this is not good for the bottom line when you are struggling......

BAD MOJO!!!!!!

 

[imacdog]

Wow, 200-300 whole K is enough to sink the ship? Sounds like you should have bailed sooner then. I thought you said you knew how to manage, yet this is the best response you can come up with?

 

[Helmsalee]

Rigger,
Your old english teacher would cringe if she had to read your posts. Com'on man, at least make some effort to sound educated.

 

[Praetorian]

The logic is this, it seems to me, Cessna was on the fence with CA, but was willing to keep trying to make it more profitable. Then the union gets voted in, and Cessna says, "That's it, now we have an additional financial burden which makes CA a bad bet, so lets dump it." That's what I think happened. Sometimes B causes A, when A was close to happening anyway.

If a SCAB sh**s in the woods and there is know one there to hear it, does it still smell like BS?

This guy is fricken priceless. He thinks he can read the minds of corporate boards.

Hey G4 SCAB. Can you guess what I'm thinking right now?

Let me give you a hint... On second thought I won't, because you already know, right?:laugh:

 

[wacoflyr]

Praetorion, for once, unbelievably, we agree.

 

[G4dude]

If a SCAB sh**s in the woods and there is know one there to hear it, does it still smell like BS?

This guy is fricken priceless. He thinks he can read the minds of corporate boards.

Hey G4 SCAB. Can you guess what I'm thinking right now?

Let me give you a hint... On second thought I won't, because you already know, right?:laugh:

Your posts make me proud to be on the opposing side.

 

[Praetorian]

Your posts make me proud to be on the opposing side.

You're not on a "side". You're for yourself.