Citation Shares and 121 pilots

[bafanguy]

CS is having a pilot round table because everyone is looking to get out of that place. They need to start with a round house to sched and get rid of that moron who heads that dept. They are great to work for if you like a sched who comes in at nite and has absolutly no regard for for any pilot and brain dead vp of sched thinks she is awesome.

Beware: That place sucks. Ask any guy who has the balls to tell ya the real deal! Ask the Asst Cp who has no clue and ask him a operational question and get the illegal snojob!!

Yikes !! I thought CS was the best frax of the lot. Maybe not ?

 

[GVFlyer]

Althought I consider Citation Shares to be the best fractional company at which to work after NetJets' two large aircraft companies - NetJets International and NetJets Large Aircraft, I think that their pilots are beginning to realize the limitations of the fractional model. Two of these limitations are that (1.) Profits are operationally derived and (2.) The operational model is extremely expensive. Corporate aviation mans at 3 pilots per airplane while the fractionals, on average, man at 5.7 pilots per airframe. Half of all fractional flying is deadhead and therefore non-productive. Fractional aircraft accrue hours at three times the rate of business aircraft and subsequently lose value at an accelerated rate.

The other limiting component of the fractional model is that the individual fractional providers have no price control. Not costs, but realitive scarcity and demand determine value, so competition determines price. Consequently, profits are low to nonexistent. In order to keep costs low, the fractionals must demand maximum productivity from their workers. This means long days, minimum rest cylces and extended duty periods.

Not all pilots find this to be desireable, so my friends at Citation Shares have advised me that 7 pilots left in September.

GV

 

[gunfyter]

Corporate aviation mans at 3 pilots per airplane while the fractionals, on average, man at 5.7 pilots per airframe. Half of all fractional flying is deadhead and therefore non-productive. Fractional aircraft accrue hours at three times the rate of business aircraft and subsequently lose value at an accelerated rate.
GV

G-Man

Number of pilots per airframe is one thing. Aircraft utilization is another.

The aircraft is utilized twice as much as corporate aircraft. Pilots are cheap (even at NBAA pay) compared to the cost of hardware.

Half of all fractional flying is NOT deadhead. Not even half the legs. The smaller the airplane the closer to the truth you are.

But that most efficiently used of all aircraft may be the CE-750. Typically fly 6 hrs in 3 legs with 1.0 reposition time. Turn the plane over at the end of the day to the next crew who flies a good part of the night.

Too bad it breaks a lot.

A fractional plane may be doing the work of 2 or 3 corporate planes. Each crew is doing at LEAST the work of one corporate crew.

 

[Stinkbug]

CS is having a pilot round table because everyone is looking to get out of that place. They need to start with a round house to sched and get rid of that moron who heads that dept. They are great to work for if you like a sched who comes in at nite and has absolutly no regard for for any pilot and brain dead vp of sched thinks she is awesome.

Beware: That place sucks. Ask any guy who has the balls to tell ya the real deal! Ask the Asst Cp who has no clue and ask him a operational question and get the illegal snojob!!

Not every pilot here feels the way you do. If you found greener pastures then more power to you.