Citation Shares and 121 pilots

DLconnection

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Does CS hire people who have 121 experience or is that something that they frown upon? I would assume that the company would like to have someone that is use to their culture, but is this the only types of people that the company hires?
I have some corporate experience in citations, but not a lot. I meet the hour requirements, no problem, but most of my time is in jets in the 121 environment. Any tips or opinions?
 

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DLconnection said:
Does CS hire people who have 121 experience or is that something that they frown upon? I would assume that the company would like to have someone that is use to their culture, but is this the only types of people that the company hires?
I have some corporate experience in citations, but not a lot. I meet the hour requirements, no problem, but most of my time is in jets in the 121 environment. Any tips or opinions?
About half the pilots at CS are former airline guys.
 

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Hair-on-Fire said:
About half the pilots at CS are former airline guys.
Hair-on,

Is the hiring that's happening, or about to happen, at CS for attrition, expansion, or both ?
 

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Help!

What are the competitve mins at CS? I would really like to get one with you guys and I haven't been successful yet, any suggestions on getting an interview? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I'm 121, 3000 TT with 1000 121 Turboprop PIC? Any
 

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khsgt said:
What are the competitve mins at CS? I would really like to get one with you guys and I haven't been successful yet, any suggestions on getting an interview? Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! I'm 121, 3000 TT with 1000 121 Turboprop PIC? Any
Your golden for Netjets. Come on over join the revolution!
 

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Mach92 said:
Your golden for Netjets. Come on over join the revolution!
I'm not really wanting to move from one pissed off group of pilots to another. I think CS is a classy outfit, and much more desirable to work for then NetJets/FlexJet.
 

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khsgt said:
I'm not really wanting to move from one pissed off group of pilots to another. I think CS is a classy outfit, and much more desirable to work for then NetJets/FlexJet.
I hope the NJA management sees this response - good job on scaring away potentially good recruits! But from NJA's standpoint, there are no problems...
 

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khsgt said:
I'm not really wanting to move from one pissed off group of pilots to another. I think CS is a classy outfit, and much more desirable to work for then NetJets/FlexJet.
DING DING DINGGGGGGG ! We have a WINNER !!!

Outstanding decision making KHSGT, I see you have done your research and fully understand what is going on at the fractionals. Good luck at CS ! :beer:
 

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Not going from one s$*hole to another

On Your Six said:
I hope the NJA management sees this response - good job on scaring away potentially good recruits! But from NJA's standpoint, there are no problems...
Working for a company like Mesa, its no longer about flight time, its about quality of life. I'm tired of me against them, I want to work my ass off and get back what I deserve in return. Companys like Mesa/NetJets/FlexJet/dozens of other s$*tholes don't understand what a resource that their own employees are, and will never relize the full potential, no matter what kind of contract/pay you are able to obtain. Corporate culture does not change even with improvements in contracts. The only hope that we have as employees is to get lucky enough to get in a positive corporate enviroment like CS/SWA/etc. It is only there that we will truly get the respect that we as professionals deserve when we work hard. As an employed person seeking employment elsewhere, I have the freedom to be picky.
 

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khsgt:

its about quality of life.
Yes.

I'm tired of me against them,
Yes, Yes!!

Companys like Mesa/NetJets/FlexJet/dozens of other s$*tholes don't understand what a resource that their own employees are, and will never relize the full potential, no matter what kind of contract/pay you are able to obtain.
All too true.....
 

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Does anyone know what competitive flight time is to get an interview at CS?
 

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we are all pretty much dysfunctional aren't we. :)
 

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mins

What are the competitive minimums.. Can you get in with less than the mins? or are they strict about it? Thanks
 

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Capt Rudy said:
CS is having a pilot round table because everyone is looking to get out of that place. They need to start with a round house to sched and get rid of that moron who heads that dept. They are great to work for if you like a sched who comes in at nite and has absolutly no regard for for any pilot and brain dead vp of sched thinks she is awesome.

Beware: That place sucks. Ask any guy who has the balls to tell ya the real deal! Ask the Asst Cp who has no clue and ask him a operational question and get the illegal snojob!!
That's really nice, Ron. Making it personal on the web board is always the right thing to do. Wishing you much success and happiness over at FedEx.
 
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Capt Rudy said:
CS is having a pilot round table because everyone is looking to get out of that place. They need to start with a round house to sched and get rid of that moron who heads that dept. They are great to work for if you like a sched who comes in at nite and has absolutly no regard for for any pilot and brain dead vp of sched thinks she is awesome.

Beware: That place sucks. Ask any guy who has the balls to tell ya the real deal! Ask the Asst Cp who has no clue and ask him a operational question and get the illegal snojob!!
Yikes !! I thought CS was the best frax of the lot. Maybe not ?
 

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Althought I consider Citation Shares to be the best fractional company at which to work after NetJets' two large aircraft companies - NetJets International and NetJets Large Aircraft, I think that their pilots are beginning to realize the limitations of the fractional model. Two of these limitations are that (1.) Profits are operationally derived and (2.) The operational model is extremely expensive. Corporate aviation mans at 3 pilots per airplane while the fractionals, on average, man at 5.7 pilots per airframe. Half of all fractional flying is deadhead and therefore non-productive. Fractional aircraft accrue hours at three times the rate of business aircraft and subsequently lose value at an accelerated rate.

The other limiting component of the fractional model is that the individual fractional providers have no price control. Not costs, but realitive scarcity and demand determine value, so competition determines price. Consequently, profits are low to nonexistent. In order to keep costs low, the fractionals must demand maximum productivity from their workers. This means long days, minimum rest cylces and extended duty periods.

Not all pilots find this to be desireable, so my friends at Citation Shares have advised me that 7 pilots left in September.

GV
 

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GVFlyer said:
Corporate aviation mans at 3 pilots per airplane while the fractionals, on average, man at 5.7 pilots per airframe. Half of all fractional flying is deadhead and therefore non-productive. Fractional aircraft accrue hours at three times the rate of business aircraft and subsequently lose value at an accelerated rate.
GV
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Number of pilots per airframe is one thing. Aircraft utilization is another.

The aircraft is utilized twice as much as corporate aircraft. Pilots are cheap (even at NBAA pay) compared to the cost of hardware.

Half of all fractional flying is NOT deadhead. Not even half the legs. The smaller the airplane the closer to the truth you are.

But that most efficiently used of all aircraft may be the CE-750. Typically fly 6 hrs in 3 legs with 1.0 reposition time. Turn the plane over at the end of the day to the next crew who flies a good part of the night.

Too bad it breaks a lot.

A fractional plane may be doing the work of 2 or 3 corporate planes. Each crew is doing at LEAST the work of one corporate crew.
 

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Capt Rudy said:
CS is having a pilot round table because everyone is looking to get out of that place. They need to start with a round house to sched and get rid of that moron who heads that dept. They are great to work for if you like a sched who comes in at nite and has absolutly no regard for for any pilot and brain dead vp of sched thinks she is awesome.

Beware: That place sucks. Ask any guy who has the balls to tell ya the real deal! Ask the Asst Cp who has no clue and ask him a operational question and get the illegal snojob!!
Not every pilot here feels the way you do. If you found greener pastures then more power to you.
 
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