Citation or Lear type which is better

[English]

Sorry guido411, can't help you with that. I'm not familiar with a change in rules that you mention.

 

[501261]

English,

Thanks, but now my question is: If, hypothetically I wanted to fly an Ultra and had a CE500 type, would I be required to attend another initial class? Differences only? Both? What if I had no previous type. Could I go thru CE00 initial or would I go to a type specific school?

In short, what rules just changed in regards to the CE500 type not covering as many airplanes as before?

No rules have changed. You can go out and get a CE500 type in a 501 then go out the next day and fly an Encore, according to the FAR's.

What may have changed is either insurance or training center requirements. Since the "schools" (FS, SM, SC) are bound by FAR 142 they have to train you in a way that they have told the FAA that they would. So they may have changed their curriculum to state you may now have to take an Ultra Initial even though you've been flying a 501 (you might want to call the other schools if that were the case).

As far the FAA and the CE500 type it still covers all the same airplanes. 500, 501, 550 (includes Bravo), 551, 552, S550, 560 (includes Ultra and Encore).

FYI, the SP waiver (4050), considers each as separate kind of airplane.

 

[WhiteCloud]

Yes you are misinformed. The CJ is not a 500 type, it is either a CE525 or a CE525S type rating. You don't need a 500 type to fly the CJ.

Let me qualify my answer....It's been a long time since I flew a Citation and many of the newer models did not exist when I got typed. My understanding is the C500 type is good for the 500, 1, 2 and 5 models. Those with straight wings. The swept back wings require a separate type. Not sure what the CJ requires but it would require a type of some kind.

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

Some people may say I'm crazy, but I paid for my Learjet type rating. Actually, a dead relative left a trust for education--she paid for it. That was last March. I am now an FO in a company with 2 35's and a RVSM'd 25. Looking to upgrade in about 6 months. Things are finally looking up! There are a lot of Lear operators who will now put you in the right seat without a type. I guess insurance has a lot to do with that.

 

[WhiteCloud]

There are a lot of Lear operators who will now put you in the right seat without a type. I guess insurance has a lot to do with that.

I think you meant "not" rather than "now". A typed FO will certainly help the insurance numbers.

 

[Dr Pokenhiemer]

You are correct sir--you knew what I meant to say. Guess my fingers were moving faster than my brain!