Citation 560 Ultra Training Manual Wanted

[VA AV8R]

I'm looking to obtain/purchase this manual from someone who might have been to training a bunch and has an extra one lying around so I can study up before a class date later this year. Thanks in advance!

 

[emspilot 01]

Citation Ultra Training Manual

I'm looking to obtain/purchase this manual from someone who might have been to training a bunch and has an extra one lying around so I can study up before a class date later this year. Thanks in advance!

If you never found a training manual yet. I have one word that might help. Ebay! Saw one on there the other day. Good luck!!

 

[BoilerUP]

At the risk of sounding like a total smartass...

Its a 500-series Citation with some of the simplest systems ever installed on a turbine airplane. If you study anything other than basic limitations before class, you'll need to pack a spare liver because the boredom will drive you to drink.

Some of the 142 training centers like cramming what should be a 7-day class into a 14-17 day Initial course...needless to say there is PLENTY of study time.

In seriousness, contact the training center you will be attending and they should send you a manual.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

What BU said....

Dont think you need to look at anything ahead of time.

I have yet to attend an initial that is not at least TWICE as long as it needs to be. Luckily all but 2 of mine have been within a few hours of my home...so I would just commute many of the days.

Trust me (as most here know) I'm not the sharpest one in the group. You wont be under pressure.

Now, Gulfstream initial....thats another story. It was like drinking from a firehose, and so worth it.

 

[VA AV8R]

I understand what's being said; I recently did Falcon 20 PIC initial and that was about right at 14 days.

I need the manual because I'm flying a Bravo SIC and will be typed during a recurrent Ultra class. I don't want to leave anything to chance but I do agree that the a/c is straightforward.

I've spotted some on Ebay - thanks for that tip.

 

[emspilot 01]

Training Manual

I understand what's being said; I recently did Falcon 20 PIC initial and that was about right at 14 days.

I need the manual because I'm flying a Bravo SIC and will be typed during a recurrent Ultra class. I don't want to leave anything to chance but I do agree that the a/c is straightforward.

I've spotted some on Ebay - thanks for that tip.

I had a Citation Ultra training manual from FlightSafety, but tossed it out during my spring cleaning. Good luck in your training!

 

[brokeflyer]

i see one on ebay for $79 right now.....thats a steal. those books are really expensive. and FSI wont give you one, the'll give you a CD, which is lame.

 

[rondo]

If you have training scheduled at Simuflite or FSI. You can download the entire manuel PDF up to 90 days before training. Its just a Ce500 type. I wouldn't rack your brain trying to pay for a manuel the training center will provide.

Where you head to for training? Again, I wouldn't sweat it.

 

[VGerect]

I need the manual because I'm flying a Bravo SIC and will be typed during a recurrent Ultra class. I don't want to leave anything to chance but I do agree that the a/c is straightforward.

We tried to get our SIC typed during recurrent and simcom would not do it. They told us that he would have to go through the full upgrade class. To be clear, he has an SIC type in the CE500, we wanted to make it a full type rating during recurrent.
Is this similar to your situation ?

Thanks

 

[brokeflyer]

if you want a paper manual you have to buy them now, they are about $500 new.

 

[roagovols]

I have a flight manual/training supplement from SimCom for the Ultra. It's not the greatest manual but should work.

 

[rondo]

I have a flight manual/training supplement from SimCom for the Ultra. It's not the greatest manual but should work.

Not the greatest training either.

 

[BoilerUP]

Not the greatest training either.

I did my CE500 initial at Simcom, and my instructor there had the exact same amount of time in the airplane as my CE525A initial instructor at FSI ICT - zero.

FSI did have Starbucks coffee and donuts every morning, but that isn't exactly worth the 100% premium FSI charges over FSI for training...

 

[rondo]

I did my CE500 initial at Simcom, and my instructor there had the exact same amount of time in the airplane as my CE525A initial instructor at FSI ICT - zero.

FSI did have Starbucks coffee and donuts every morning, but that isn't exactly worth the 100% premium FSI charges over FSI for training...

My experience was pretty bad. No one had time in type and they pretty much read from a book. Training was disorganized and "let play it by ear." The sim didn't work right, the bridge got stuck a few times. Nothing like using the escape ladder in the middle of the night.

After going to CAE or FSI this plays seems like junior bush league. More for private owners. They are a 1/4 of the price of FSI though.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

My experience was pretty bad. No one had time in type and they pretty much read from a book. Training was disorganized and "let play it by ear." The sim didn't work right, the bridge got stuck a few times. Nothing like using the escape ladder in the middle of the night.

After going to CAE or FSI this plays seems like junior bush league. More for private owners. They are a 1/4 of the price of FSI though.

Never been to Simcom but for my last few initials (DA900EX, BBD700, and DA7X) not one of the instructors had time in the aircraft....if they did they likely wouldnt be sitting in a box or reading slides in a classroom 20+ days a month.

If you want to see disorganized, attend a FSI/CAE course using Dassaults CODDE method....its absurd.

Not downplaying your Simcom experience, just saying that training is hit or miss anywhere.

 

[roagovols]

Exactly, the training is only as good as the person doing the training. I've been to all the schools and had good and bad instructors at all of them.

 

[emspilot 01]

Flight Training

Exactly, the training is only as good as the person doing the training. I've been to all the schools and had good and bad instructors at all of them.

I would have to agree..They all have good and bad instructors!! I never did like SimCom very much even with good instructors. Think it was the bad simulators.

 

[pal]

I have a CE560 Encore+ manual. Let me know if you're interested.

 

[brokeflyer]

I have a CE560 Encore+ manual. Let me know if you're interested.

he said he needs an ultra