CHQ E170s - When Do They Start Scheduled Service?

[On Your Six]

Having flown on the MDA E170 as a pax I am a big fan - very comfortable and nice looking up front. Just wondering when the CHQ E170s will start up regular scheduled service (I know they have been flying proving runs lately)?

So, a few questions:

1. What hub will they fly out of for UAL?

2. When will regular scheduled service begin?

3. What are the initial routes for the E170? I know that they were being flown to IAH from IAD on proving runs at one point.

The E170 is a great airplane and it would be fun to fly - too bad it won't pay so well...

 

[Turboprop]

I saw one at DFW last week.

 

[dav8or]

IND, IAH, IAD, ORD are the first cities. Got a memo that the first day was pushed back a little but don't remember when. Should be soon.

 

[Be200pilot]

they start Oct 22nd, pushed back from the 17th.

 

[Indypilot]

so does that mean republic has a certificate? Or are they still putting them on the CHQ certificate, APA be darned? Or will they cut the AA connection flying? If they are suppost to start flying in a few days, are they just willing to say poop on you american pilots union, and take the chance that it will be tied up in litigation for a while. And how much is this costing them? 2 certificates, and your going to spend the money to put the airplane on both certificates? twice the proving runs, twice the training, twice the ect. Of course that would mean that republic does actually get a certificate, which i hear isn't going so hot. Anyone?

 

[Habib]

APA has dropped the issue, also, CHQ has nothing in writing with AA about 70 Seaters.

Nothing to get toooooooo worried about.

 

[cargojunkie]

how much more pay will you get? please tell me you get more pay. I saw one in united colors at ind......... real nice.

 

[Flying Horses]

5% over 145 payrate ... sucks, doesn't it?

 

[Dart]

Is CHQ hiring captains? If not....how long for upgrade. Thanks

 

[Dart]

Is CHQ hiring captains? If not....how long for upgrade. Thanks

 

[Dart]

sorry for the second post.......fbo computers suck!

 

[Airpiraterob]

hiring captians?......yes. every FO is a captian in training....at least thats how they tell me theyre doing it. only way to get it is to upgrade. and at this rate if things dont change (ie: noone goes liquid in a too serious way), 40 a month hired....probably 2 years upgrade if you get hired NOW....and that slowly increases the more they bring on..but in the climate where everyones codeshare is in money trouble.....who knows anymore whats gonna happen. just go with your desicion and hope for the best.

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

What I find hard to believe is that the pilots at UAL actually allowed this to happen. All I can say is that a plane this large does NOT belong at a place like CHQ! Are there any UAL pilots out there that are willing to tell us why they are allowing CHQ to fly the 170 for UAL? I guess I already know the answer - scope does not mean anything anymore!

 

[On Your Six]

What I find hard to believe is that the pilots at UAL actually allowed this to happen. All I can say is that a plane this large does NOT belong at a place like CHQ! Are there any UAL pilots out there that are willing to tell us why they are allowing CHQ to fly the 170 for UAL? I guess I already know the answer - scope does not mean anything anymore!

Getting defensive aren't we? I believe furloughed UAL pilots will have a chance to fly the E170 in a j4j scheme - so, the UAL pilots won't be left out.... At the end of the day, it has around 70 seats - it carries the same as the CRJ700 Mesa flies and yet you are not so defensive about that are you? J4J may not be perfect, but it was instituted so that UAL furloughees were not left out of the equation.

 

[Be200pilot]

Also, what about the Avros that air whiskey has? that thing has way more than 70 seats doesnt it? There is a J4J program for the UAL guys too.

 

[GFunk20]

Yeah really. We are no different than Skywest, Mesa, or Air Wisconsin flying 70 seaters for United.

The latest E-170 seniority list has 4 or 5 UAL FOs for Jets for Jobs so far.

 

[WyoHerkdriver]

Thanks for the information. I was not aware that there was a jets for jobs arrangement for the UAL guys. I thought for sure that the 170 carried more than 70 passengers. How many does the 190 carry? I sure hope we don't start seeing those at places like Mesa and Eagle as that will be really bad news.

 

[brew3departure]

We already do see them at JBLU...

Wyoherkdriver, I agree with you. I think the horses are out of the barn already, so to speak, with regard to the E-190's. While they aren't actually on the property at JB, the pay rates and all are agreed to - and believe me, I'm not knockin' JetBlue folks but the E190 pay rates are pretty sad.

Who knows - by the time they arrive JB could be considered a major - maybe it already is to most, I don't know.

There are those at the regionals that want the E190's and above, and it does not bode well for the next ten years or so if companies and union look at "Embraer" and see "RJ" or, more importantly, Regional jet pay.

On the flip side, it is cheaper for UAL to run an E170 from ORD-BDL than an A319 or a 737? Probably. We have yet to see how these airplanes will really be utilized. If they do the off-peak, almost but not quite profitable routes for UAL and leave the profitable stuff to the mainline pilots, at the very least, it might help UAL's bottom line. On the other hand, if they do what Airways has done and start flat-out replacing routes with RJ's, that's another story.

If CHQ drops the hammer and signs a good contract next time around with significant pay increases, the line between regional and non-regional will continue to blur, as it already has to some degree. The arrival of E190's, though, at any regional and/or whatever JetBlue is considered - will be a bad thing for those wanting to break into the next tax bracket as a pilot.

Of course, there will be those at whatever company receives these jets that will be happy to fly something bigger, to fly a "real airplane", happy with the pay increase, etc.

It will be very interesting, though, to see what happens on a larger scale, now that we have an RJ that, by any other name, isn't really an RJ at all.

And if you want to get really nit-picky, I flew to MSP last month on one of the oldest "RJ's" around - a tired 'ol North Central vice Northwest DC9-10. 60 seats in that bad boy, I think.

-brew3

 

[cargojunkie]

im disappointed that chq is turning into a mesa. You fly this airplane so cheap that others will have to follow. Chq and mesa guys have to know how much every airline hates them.

 

[nimtz]

If CHQ drops the hammer and signs a good contract next time around with significant pay increases, the line between regional and non-regional will continue to blur, as it already has to some degree.

No offense brew, but I'll bet you 10 to 1 odds that this does not happen. As long as it says Embraer or Candair on the side of the airplane apparently it is a regional jet. If you want those larger airplanes you have to be willing to fly them for dogsh!t rates. The only way you guys might get paid remotely right is if CHQ is able to start its own independent airline, which I doubt DAL, UAL, US Air, and AMR are intrested in helping fund. The blur between mainline and regional is entirely in the size of jet flown NOT in the payscale/benefits. Until there are sweeping changes to this industry we will be dealing with that pain in the years ahead...