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Stick Man
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Spoke to HR recently and was told that training dept would be in touch with us soon. One of the 17 was also told that they (CHQ) might want us back sooner and that no sim time would be afforded to us. It sounds like CHQ mgmt. doesnt mind placing a heavy burden of instructing, babysitting and mentoring on the shoulders of IOE Captains when all they should be worrying about is showing us the ropes. Hopefully we wont be all thumbs when we have to start pushin' buttons . . . . gear up, heading, low bank . . . . blah blah blah.
Is anybody out there (current line CA's or FO's or IBT reps) aware of any binder that could be placed on CHQ mgmt. that would force them to provide us (and ulimately their clients) w/ a better margin of safety by providing the recently un-furloughed new-hires some sim time. Or are we just gonna be a larger burden for the CHQ and ATC system during the fast approaching T-Giving and Christmas holidays? Some sim time would be a real confidence booster for those of us who feel like early august was more than almost 90 days ago?
Hmmm . . . . almost 90 days - what a coincidence.
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Is anybody out there (current line CA's or FO's or IBT reps) aware of any binder that could be placed on CHQ mgmt. that would force them to provide us (and ulimately their clients) w/ a better margin of safety by providing the recently un-furloughed new-hires some sim time. Or are we just gonna be a larger burden for the CHQ and ATC system during the fast approaching T-Giving and Christmas holidays? Some sim time would be a real confidence booster for those of us who feel like early august was more than almost 90 days ago?
Hmmm . . . . almost 90 days - what a coincidence.
Identity withheld to protect the ignorant.
Ivan Yankenoff
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It's called demanding that you get the refresher training you believe you deserve. If they give you any crap I have a few phone numbers you can call that will most likely help. The least they can do for using you as a pawn is bring up to the level you feel comfortable without any hassles. Two of the times I have been furloughed was for under three months and both times I was given two days of systems/fom groundschool followed by two sim sessions and they would have given me more if I wanted. It is completely unprofessional to expect you to go directly into IOE after being furloughed.
Airpiraterob
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nice dog Ivan, (avatar)
in their view, all we need are 3 takeoffs and landings and were current again. Recurrent isn't necessary as it's done once a year for an FO anyway so we should still be good on the systems and knowlege of the airplane....however letting us keep the limitations to look over while sitting on our ass would have been nice....
theres a new company blah-whatever book with completely new cockpit procedures scripting and ways of doing things, so everything we learned in the order we learned it has totally changed. so dont even try to go back and remember the script we took 2 weeks to perfect in the sim.
yeah just a couple of sim-flights would be nice before we controlled-crash it onto the ground turning all our first paying passengers into midgets...
in their view, all we need are 3 takeoffs and landings and were current again. Recurrent isn't necessary as it's done once a year for an FO anyway so we should still be good on the systems and knowlege of the airplane....however letting us keep the limitations to look over while sitting on our ass would have been nice....
theres a new company blah-whatever book with completely new cockpit procedures scripting and ways of doing things, so everything we learned in the order we learned it has totally changed. so dont even try to go back and remember the script we took 2 weeks to perfect in the sim.
yeah just a couple of sim-flights would be nice before we controlled-crash it onto the ground turning all our first paying passengers into midgets...
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For the furloughed pilots, we're glad to have you back.
Don't worry about not knowing procedures and the new SOPs. Although it would have been nice to get everyone back in the sim for an hour, I wouldn't stress over it. I spoke with one of our Check Airmen and they are aware of your situation. You'll be so lost your first day anyhow, you'll still be at the gate MCO and the Captain will be calling for the shutdown check in RDU.
When the jet first came on line a few years ago, there would be training backlogs because there weren't enough Check Airmen to go around. I had almost a month and a half between sim and doors training and then another month until IOE. After IOE I flew 3 days in the next 2 months because we had more than enough FOs to go around. The point...it's difficult, especially if it is your first airline, but you'll get through fine. Almost all the pilots at CHQ are great and are understanding.
The new SOPs are different, but mostly in the checklist items and how they are arranged. The flows for the most part are the same flows that have always been used. As far as learning the new procedures, the only thing they had us do was read it and take a test to send in. No formal training in recurrent or a separate class. You'll probably be flying with Captain's trying to learn them also. At least you don't have to break 4 years of reading and hearing the same checklist.
When you make it to the line for your first day of IOE, relax and enjoy it. You only get to experiance your first day once and you'll remember it forever. You'll be lost and feel like you've never stepped into an aircraft before. When the day is finally over, go have a refreshment and head off to bed. I'm sure you'll sleep better than you have in a long time. Good luck and we'll see you online.
Don't worry about not knowing procedures and the new SOPs. Although it would have been nice to get everyone back in the sim for an hour, I wouldn't stress over it. I spoke with one of our Check Airmen and they are aware of your situation. You'll be so lost your first day anyhow, you'll still be at the gate MCO and the Captain will be calling for the shutdown check in RDU.
When the jet first came on line a few years ago, there would be training backlogs because there weren't enough Check Airmen to go around. I had almost a month and a half between sim and doors training and then another month until IOE. After IOE I flew 3 days in the next 2 months because we had more than enough FOs to go around. The point...it's difficult, especially if it is your first airline, but you'll get through fine. Almost all the pilots at CHQ are great and are understanding.
The new SOPs are different, but mostly in the checklist items and how they are arranged. The flows for the most part are the same flows that have always been used. As far as learning the new procedures, the only thing they had us do was read it and take a test to send in. No formal training in recurrent or a separate class. You'll probably be flying with Captain's trying to learn them also. At least you don't have to break 4 years of reading and hearing the same checklist.
When you make it to the line for your first day of IOE, relax and enjoy it. You only get to experiance your first day once and you'll remember it forever. You'll be lost and feel like you've never stepped into an aircraft before. When the day is finally over, go have a refreshment and head off to bed. I'm sure you'll sleep better than you have in a long time. Good luck and we'll see you online.
Buss_Driver
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So, I'm torn.
Not having seen any version of the POH for 3 months (by the 13th) nor having had the opportunity to jumpseat and observe, some time to do both (if not a sim) would be great. On the other hand, not having flown a real airplane since June, I'm chomping at the bit (passenger comfort be **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed).
Like to hear from anybody who's been through the complete cut-off of furlough (or firing -- you guys were screwed) before ever putting the training to use.
Anyway, looking forward to it but have to go drive a bus to pay the bills; keep squawking the lack of wings on the pre-trip.
BD
Not having seen any version of the POH for 3 months (by the 13th) nor having had the opportunity to jumpseat and observe, some time to do both (if not a sim) would be great. On the other hand, not having flown a real airplane since June, I'm chomping at the bit (passenger comfort be **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed).
Like to hear from anybody who's been through the complete cut-off of furlough (or firing -- you guys were screwed) before ever putting the training to use.
Anyway, looking forward to it but have to go drive a bus to pay the bills; keep squawking the lack of wings on the pre-trip.
BD
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Buss_Driver
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Good News
G. Santos is making phone calls!
Pushing up recall to November 4th. Couple days in IND going over new procedures and reviewing old followed by D&E, some CPT time, and immediate IOE (only enough to get at least 3 landings in though).
We'll be on payroll guarantee and will get time off, after the landings, to make arrangements in our assigned domiciles before getting back to work by (or before) December 1st.
See ya!
BD
P.S. Rob, don't let me forget to buy you a drink for all those great avatars and quotes!
G. Santos is making phone calls!
Pushing up recall to November 4th. Couple days in IND going over new procedures and reviewing old followed by D&E, some CPT time, and immediate IOE (only enough to get at least 3 landings in though).
We'll be on payroll guarantee and will get time off, after the landings, to make arrangements in our assigned domiciles before getting back to work by (or before) December 1st.
See ya!
BD
P.S. Rob, don't let me forget to buy you a drink for all those great avatars and quotes!
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Airpiraterob
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Fastbreak Basketball
does Gary always talk that fast on the phone? He must be Eastcoast posse. Sounded hurried, almost like they FORGOT we were about to expire in currency. At least I got an hour in a warrior in the meantime. thats close enough isnt it?
well my 30 days of to/ldgs are up on nov. 9th. (since i was one of the first out of the sim.) I forgot to ask but BD, he told you we get some time off between the TO/LDG's and the move to the domicile? or do we do a full on IOE then move to the domicile?
gotta decide what to pack....besides my 9 yo.
does Gary always talk that fast on the phone? He must be Eastcoast posse. Sounded hurried, almost like they FORGOT we were about to expire in currency. At least I got an hour in a warrior in the meantime. thats close enough isnt it?
well my 30 days of to/ldgs are up on nov. 9th. (since i was one of the first out of the sim.) I forgot to ask but BD, he told you we get some time off between the TO/LDG's and the move to the domicile? or do we do a full on IOE then move to the domicile?
gotta decide what to pack....besides my 9 yo.
Buss_Driver
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Rob,
Yeah, he said we'd get time off then come back to complete IOE and be on the line by December 1st. Main thing is to get the 3 in.
But, I wouldn't bet on anything being set in stone. They may end up needing to shove some of us right out the door, IMHO, with the holiday season starting.
Gotta go drive a bus,
BD
Yeah, he said we'd get time off then come back to complete IOE and be on the line by December 1st. Main thing is to get the 3 in.
But, I wouldn't bet on anything being set in stone. They may end up needing to shove some of us right out the door, IMHO, with the holiday season starting.
Gotta go drive a bus,
BD
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Glad to hear you guys are back,
Has everyone gotten called back yet? There are people asking-some of us have been trying hard to keep reminding people not to do overtime with you guys still on the street. I've had some "interesting discussions" over it.
Did CHQ make you give back all your manuals? If so, and you are in/near MCO, you can borrow my old POH and notes, to refresh before going to IND. (PM ME)(I'll see you guys in IND...got the call for CA)
Do you guys all have a copy of the new contract? Make sure you do-and read the thing. Very important to know your rights.
B
Whats up Bus- finally remembered who you are...
Has everyone gotten called back yet? There are people asking-some of us have been trying hard to keep reminding people not to do overtime with you guys still on the street. I've had some "interesting discussions" over it.
Did CHQ make you give back all your manuals? If so, and you are in/near MCO, you can borrow my old POH and notes, to refresh before going to IND. (PM ME)(I'll see you guys in IND...got the call for CA)
Do you guys all have a copy of the new contract? Make sure you do-and read the thing. Very important to know your rights.
B
Whats up Bus- finally remembered who you are...
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Airpiraterob
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Blott,
yes they called everyone back. flyinjack is the last in our class and he got the call.letter like the rest of us did. so....take the overtime. be able to afford the kid on the way. (congrats ace-crackshot)
as far as manuals go, we had to return everything with exception of what flightsafety gave us....so we have the POH and all copies of whatever information we could find...tee hee.
so the SOP's/company manuals/charts we will get back our fifrst day <its a light day> i guess ill plan on alot of driving in the next 4 weeks.
yes they called everyone back. flyinjack is the last in our class and he got the call.letter like the rest of us did. so....take the overtime. be able to afford the kid on the way. (congrats ace-crackshot)
as far as manuals go, we had to return everything with exception of what flightsafety gave us....so we have the POH and all copies of whatever information we could find...tee hee.
so the SOP's/company manuals/charts we will get back our fifrst day <its a light day> i guess ill plan on alot of driving in the next 4 weeks.
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