Chicago Tribune article on Age 60...

[kwick]

It's pretty simple really. You make the decision that's right for you. If you want to fly past 60, and can pass the medical, go for it. If you don't think it's right don't. That simple. Try not to impose your own personal views on others.

 

[vetrider]

Simply whining about money doesn't bother me to much, I just take that as an opinion, just like I have my opinions. Its only when these guys like Captain pompous, I mean Hinnenkamp, try to suggest they are irreplacable due to the inexperience of the "kids" below them that its time to raise the bs flag, in my opinion.

Take Andy for instance, waiting to be recalled to the bottom of the list, look at his profile, can anyone call him a "kid" and keep a straight face? Well thats what Captain Pompous did, and its bs.

 

[freeflyer14]

Why wasn't Englehardt in the newspapers 20 years ago moaning about the age 60 rule??? Oh yeah that's right it wouldn't have been for his benefit back then. Now that he's in a position where a change to the rule will result in a financial windfall for him (and a devastating blow to others including the hundreds of furloughed), he (and others) are spouting off about how experienced he is and the replacements are basically unsafe. Nice...

 

[fr8doggie]

How do you fly Navy (combat) and get hired by UAL all before your 23rd B'day? Doesn't pass the smell test to me.

 

[Andy]

How do you fly Navy (combat) and get hired by UAL all before your 23rd B'day? Doesn't pass the smell test to me.

The article's a little dorked; they merged two different pilots' stories together. (I missed that until I reread it late last nite while sending an e-mail to the authors) It was Richard Hinnenkamp who made the Vietnam statement. They incorrectly list Hinnenkamp as a 37 yr United pilot; it should say 27 years. He was hired 1/29/79; #353 on the latest seniority list. captain Hinnenkamp will have his birthday this Friday, the 25th.
Englehardt was hired 5/15/69.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

So, what age should it change to? 65? What is the safety impact of that age change?

Well...what was the safety impact of making the mandatory age 60? Age 60 wasn't determined by using any medical data.

Bottom line....people are living healthier and longer lives than they did in the 60's and 70's.

When you write your congressman, don't use any health examples, because there is not any health data available from the FAA to back it up. Tell him it will hurt your upgrade/return from furlough...and doggone it, you deserve to be in the left seat as soon as possible !!!

Tejas

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Why wasn't Englehardt in the newspapers 20 years ago moaning about the age 60 rule???

Probably out flying a trip. Oh yeah, and 20 years ago, I'll bet there wasn't a cub reporter knocking on his door...not to mention, this wasn't even a debate 20 years ago, with a bill in each of the respective houses of congress.

Tejas

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Guys..

Eanglehardt is on this board! Go check out the thread titled "My 18 year old student flying a Pitts"

You see that is his KID fliyng the Pitts S-2C. I think Englehard-headed avatar has the spac shuttle on it.

Sell the pitts ENGLEHARD-headed and get off the list and out of my seat. Maybe your SON can find employment when you RETIRE!

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Englehardt

Here is a THREAD that was started by Englehardt!

HIS SCREEN NAME IS "UndauntedFlyer"

"Look at my kid flying the Pitts" Maybe you can sell the Pitts and fund your other son's education.




http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=78084&highlight=my+pitts

 

[Quimby]

What a bunch of bs that's in that article. The same argument applies that when these guys were hired years ago, they were in diapers when the senior dudes at their company were dropping bombs in WW2, flying the hump, flying the mail, etc, etc. No one is irreplacable. GMAB.uke:

I'm glad I don't have a subscription to the Trib, 'cuz I just would have had to cancel it today.

 

[vetrider]

I disagree with Englehardts position on age 60, but I'm not about to start bashing him and his son about the Pitts. Both of them should be proud, there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

It’s kind of hard to have sympathy for the guy when he is living up in the high rent district of Lake Bluff and tooling around in his Pitts. His claim about not having enough carries very little weight.


AA767AV8TOR

 

[Whataburger]

Lake Bluff, IL = Average income is $145,000. Average house price $450,000.

I think Capt/Col. Englehardt should go up to the local diner in Lake Bluff and order some french cries and a whaaaaaaaaamburger!!! And a Whine-akin to wash it down with!!!

 

[vetrider]

Thats why I disagree with him on 60. He should still be proud of his son, thats all.

 

[Quimby]

No doubt. The Pitts video is great & his son is a great stick. That's not the debate though.

 

[BVT94]

Is Al Englehardt the same UAL Captain that narrates the Chicago Air and Water show for ABC 7 here in Chicago?

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Is Al Englehardt the same UAL Captain that narrates the Chicago Air and Water show for ABC 7 here in Chicago?

No,

That is Capt. Herb Hunter a REAL class act.

As far as Englehardt and his Pitts, its great his son flies one, that is not the issue.....The point is he is crying poor mouth, I had to sell my EXTRA 300S and quit Aerobatic Competition when the paycuts hit, someday maybe I can return but I am not going to cry about it or try to self promote myself, or DEMAND that I stay at the top of the list past age 60, when I was hired at UAL it was pretty clear that I would be out the door at age 60.

Nothing wrong with a young guy flying a Pitts, I did the same thing and enjoyed every minute of it. Of course my Pitts at the time was a homebuilt model S-1S and I could barely afford the insurance on my commuter pilot pay.

POINT IS--Englehardt is all about HIMSELF.

 

[miles otoole]

It’s kind of hard to have sympathy for the guy when he is living up in the high rent district of Lake Bluff and tooling around in his Pitts. His claim about not having enough carries very little weight.


AA767AV8TOR

Unless he's your dad. Then you support his plight. Funny how a thing called perception works? If you were him, you would be doing the same sh1t.

 

[The Prussian]

Look guys...I don't care if Al has a Pitts, is on his 2nd or third marriage, if he narrates, or has 15 million dollars. Three sentences on this guy in the article and you're all over him. Sounds like a lot of class envy out there.
Question is...is age 60 retirement an appropriate age for forced retirement or not?
Seems that mostly those below their mid-forties are against raising the age, and those mid to late forties and above are for change.
As you age past your mid-forties, Alzheimer's sets in and you gradually come on over to Age 65 (while memories of previous positions tend to fade). Simple as that! It's time you younger guys realized your destiny....

 

[ivauir]

Ok, then stop using that crap line "they knew the rules when they hired on". Things change in every aspect of life. You sound like a bitter member of the entitlement generation.

Really? It sounds to me like a gen Xer. The "entitlement generation' was born in the 50's.