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By R. Scardapane

NATIONAL NEWS - While President Bush rejoices in the job creation numbers of March 2004, economists question the meaning of the data. Despite creating a surplus in jobs, the unemployment rate went up from 5.6% to 5.7%. How could this possibly be?




The Bush administration spin is that discouraged workers are trying again. If so, this is roof that the unemployment rate does not reflect true number of people seeking work. The Bureau of Labor Statistics, (BLS) estimates that a more realistic un-employment rate is in excess of 9% when discouraged and part-time workers are counted.

There are other possible explanations for the rise in unemployment rate despite apparent strong job creation. There were 12,000 jobs added by strikers returning to work. In addition, there were 71,000 jobs added in construction. On the surface that sounds great but many jobs are actually Iraqi citizens employed by American companies for various Iraqi reconstruction projects.

For the American manufacturing sector, there was no job gains at all. The information technology (IT) sector, actually lost 1000 jobs.These sectors are the most effected by American worker replacement by cheap foreign labor ("global sourcing"). Our President keeps insisting this is "Good for America" but many such as Senator Kerry do not agree.

Even more disturbing is that long term unemployment, jobless for at least o_ne-half a year, has increased by o_ne percent. A quote from the Economic Policy Institute (www.epinet.org):

"The household survey also reveals a few other indicators that labor demand is still a problem. The share of the long-term unemployed-those who have been jobless for at least half a year-jumped up a percentage point to 23.9%, the highest level since July 1983, when the unemployment rate was 9.3%. There was also a 296,000 increase in the number of so-called involuntary part-time workers, i.e., those who would prefer full-time work. This change helped push up the BLS's comprehensive measure of underemployment-which adds discouraged workers and involuntary part-timers to the traditional group of unemployed-to 9.9%, up 0.3 percentage points from last month."

When I read these statistics o_ne vital question comes to mind - do these numbers reflect American citizens or are VISA / foreign workers included? American citizens are searching for full-time jobs in their skill area. Many of these jobs, IT in particular, were simply given away to foreigners for no reason other than that they were somewhat cheaper employees. These jobs are important to the success of the American society.

A nation that does not produce can not survive.
 
The unemployment numbers do not reflect the individuals who have exhausted unemployment payments after 26 weeks. Once a individual exhaust their 26 week payments and doesn't have a job the numbers reflect them as working. Which isn't happening unless they move to India,China or Mexico. Which is where their job moved. 9% unemployment? I wonder where in the Enron Corporate structure these experts resided?
 
I was an aviation causality and was out of work for 8 months, however it was my choice. I did not want to work just for the sake of working. I turned down a few offers that were, in my opinion, not worthy. Always looking to the future, I had money in the bank and the extended aviation relief fund for unemployed aviation related workers was what kept me going. I tend to believe that is what is going on today. There are hundreds of jobs out there but people refuse to take them. When people get hungry, they will work at Mickey D's or other types for food. What we read in the news is just political bull. Has anyone read or hear of how JK will increase employment? He sings a good tune, however he has no record to prove it.
 
Not only are the unemployment figures even worse than they initially sound, but a relatively high number of the few new jobs (which, as you know aren't touching the number lost) are lower-paying service-industry jobs. In NC we are filled with 30-ish and 40-ish former factory and IT workers and managers now working in retail at a fraction of their old salaries. It's a frigging nightmare here, and all over the US. The exact numbers can easily be found ... just plug into Google for five minutes. A disaster.

And the worst part? No one on the horizon with any answers from either party of crooks and corporate whores. The Democrats are equally guilty (remember NAFTA?).

It's a sorry world ...

Minh
 
I can understand the complaining... it sure SEEMS like it is someone elses job to make sure that everyone has a job.

Unfortunately, as much as the politicians WANT you to be stupid enough to believe that electing them will get you a good job, it is a LIE. Pure and simple. The only way the government can create a job is to forcibly take money from someone else and transfer it. Sadly, more often than not, government "jobs" destroy value by diverting needed resources elsewhere, rather than creating value.

The plain hard truth is that there are jobs out there for those lacking the courage and creativity to make their own way. But don't expect a huge economic reward when it is someone else's capital and butt on the line.

As for all these "great jobs" going overseas, do you know anyone who was fired because their job went overseas? I do not, and noone I know does either. I am really curious if someone here does.

So vote for whoever you think will find a job for you. I would wager that nothing they do will get you a job. It will take you doing something about it, not "them".
 
Hey Bart

I do know some folks who all just got "fired" due to their jobs going to Mexico from an Iowa factory. 65 people all effectively fired, as the electrical device assembly and wire termination factory just closed the doors, and the customers of that great operation (my former company) started getting the same parts from Juarez.
 
There's plenty of work to be done...either go on down to the recruiters and sign up or shut up or you can get one of them 6 figure jobs working in Iraq as a civilian.

It would be the American thing to do, rather than sitting on your butt wondering why J.Q. Public can't afford flying lessons or a trip on the charity wage paying regional jet.

As all Americans become shoe salesmans, grocery store employees, taco benders in fast food joints, and sales associates at Walmart...do you really think aviation has a place for you in its future anyway?

Do the right thing and go on down and see that recruiter, then you won't be jobless.
 
Now there is a future for ya. Just ask the wife and kids of the kidnapped truck driver from Mississippi. 6 figure job don't do much good when you get your head cut off:cool:
 
Or.... ask the the other victims families who most likely have also lost loved ones. Surely they will tell you how "smoothly" the hand over of power is going to be... riiiiiight.


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I don't see how anyone would want to "join up", civilain or military, to go fight and die for a country who does not want us there, and whose own security force will not fight for themselves. This whole mis-adventure in Iraq is going to cost Bush his second term. That reality is starting to show up in scientific polls now.

The voters are getting restless!
 
I don't see how anyone would want to "join up", civilain or military, to go fight and die for a country who does not want us there, and whose own security force will not fight for themselves. This whole mis-adventure in Iraq is going to cost Bush his second term. That reality is starting to show up in scientific polls now.

I could not agree more with you, well said. Bush has allowed enough innocent lives to be taken over there so this november enough will be enough when the final vote is in. Like father like son he will be sent home packing.


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This whole mis-adventure in Iraq is going to cost Bush his second term.


Actually this misadventure is the only thing that may save Bush's second term. Take away the war on terror and all you have left is probably the most miserable excuse of a president this country has ever seen.
 
Doin Time

You seem to have some confusion about our war on terror. It is not in Iraq. What was at one time a war to rid Saddam of WMD, is now a war to "liberate Iraq" since even David Kay has said WMD were never there when we went to war. Yes, they were there once, but no more. Saddam is caputed, his sons are dead, the deck of 54 is mostly captured or killed, and there ARE NO WMD. Not Bushes fault, just faulty intel. The war on terror is all over the world, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, and the good old USA itself has cells of Al-Quida here. Bush's mistake is to continue this disaster to "save face". He should be more concerned with the killing of our young fighting who are dying for no purpose. Those folks hate us and want us to leave their country. Let's oblige them, and vamoose.

I say, Leave, and let the Iraqi people have their own civil war, and when a victor is apparent in 500 years or so, we can set up diplomatic realtions with the victors. We should not die for a people who will not fight and die for their own country.
 
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He should be more concerned with the killing of our young fighting who are dying for no purpose.


They are dying for absolutely no purpose whatsoever and many more of our troops will die before all is said and done, that is probably the saddest part if this entire "Bush's adventure in Iraq". We have no reason to be there nor are we wanted there by the Iraqi people but after Bush botched this mission with no exit plan thus far there ain't no way he is turning back now.

The new administration is going to have so much work to do to fix these screw-ups that Bush has done so far, let's just hope he doesn't do much more damage in his remaining months in office but I would not put it past him.

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The Irony of this whole situation in Iraq, is that the only people the Iraqi people now want to be "liberated from" are foreign occupying forces in their country. Let's liberate 'em....let's leave. They can have their country back. Give Saddam to them in shackle's, let them hold his trial, and then hang him. Ought to take about a day under their justice system.
 
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As for all these "great jobs" going overseas, do you know anyone who was fired because their job went overseas? I do not, and noone I know does either. I am really curious if someone here does.
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My company has not *fired* anyone in the US for an overseas employee. However, we have not hired anybody in four years in the US, but we have hired thousands in India. We've also not had a raise in four years even though the company still increases profits each year.

I think they are going to let us die on the vine.
 
It's the wave of the future, Surfnole. China and India are coming "up", as we sink lower and lower each year. Only CEO's of very large companies seem to be immune from personal finance concerns, but they gotta worry about jail time as of late.
 
Them boys down in Texas got some dam fine weed
They smuggle across the Rio, they use the Mexican breed
That's expointin' cheap labor, but hell that's Texican's creed
Them boys down in Texas got some dam fine weed

that's what the guys of Ragweed have to say about this...
 
do you know anyone who was fired because their job went overseas
I live in a neighborhood full of them. They often walk down to the locked furniture (Thomasville) and textile (Sara Lee) factories in the evenings for exercise after they get off work at Walmart. Both companies now doing 75% of manufacturing in Mexico and China.

I work in an office with two people whose employers went belly-up after losing their largest client to firms in India and Singapore.

You're a piece of work, Bart. :D

Minh
 

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