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Bedford's theory is to not buy a company larger than yourself. In doing so the labor rules of the larger company would prevail and that is not good because something isn't working right if they are for sale.

Rumor is, some of the current codeshares want RAH to purchase their higher cost codeshares, thus reducing their costs when RAH inherits the contract.
Current speculation is that DAL is wanting RAH to purchase Comair.

That being said, RAH will not buy Comair in its current form. Some aircraft would need to disappear first and fewer pilots employed there.

However I have discovered and pieced together (and current rumors outside of RAH tend to support) through multiple sources and higher ups that RAH might be up to something completely different.

The only thing that makes me think that this is BS is the sheer complexity of the whole scheme and how much must fall into place at the exact right time; not to mention the number of companies involved in the plan.

Here's the basics:

RAH acquires additional 145 aircraft to operate the CO codeshare. These aircraft come from a current 145 operater who in turn picks up CRJs that are very cheap on the open market to replace ERJs (MESA). Chautauqua still operates a single type and MESA transitions to a single CRJ type (as it relates to the 50 seaters). Both companies win by operating a single type. In addition RAH 145s in United colors (possibly some US codeshare aircraft as well) are transitioned to CO codeshare.

In the meantime, Expressjet enters codeshare agreements to operate aircraft for another codeshare (AMR) or on their own (charter). At some point in time this unit is spunoff or sold, thus downsizing Expressjet. At that time RAH buys the unit operating the CO codeshare (BB "buy smaller approach"). Chautauqua still operates a single type.

The recent announcement by CO to bid out their express flying has put Expressjet on notice. They must reduce costs or risk losing addition aircraft at the next round in 2 years. This might be a better scenario than competing and a possibility of withering on the vine. Placing 69 aircraft can't be an easy task. But trying to do it 4 times is a nightmare. Management has a fiduciary duty its shareholders, this might be their answer.

Like I said, pretty complex. But Wexford has alot of money to play the game, and has ALWAYS been there for RAH financial wellbeing. They have also been rewarded for it.

Now go shoot it down. But remember you heard it here first!
 
FlyingDawg said:
The recent announcement by CO to bid out their express flying has put Expressjet on notice. They must reduce costs or risk losing addition aircraft at the next round in 2 years.

Boy, you've really been guzzling that Bedford koolaid, haven't you?

Prediction: RAH never flies a single flight in Continental colors.
 
PCL_128 said:
Boy, you've really been guzzling that Bedford koolaid, haven't you?

Prediction: RAH never flies a single flight in Continental colors.

your magic 8 ball is way off.
 
Magic 8 ball:

Comair is bought by RAH. Comair is used to whipsaw CHQ pilots into taking lower payrates or will lose flying. CHQ says no. E145s begin to disappear as (we keep hearing 50 seaters need to go away). Comair is used to fly the new CO codeshare and staff current 50 seat feed. CHQ pilots are furloughed as they were warned would happen if they didn't take lower pay. All of this happens conveniently as the CHQ contract opens for negotiations.

Many reasons why this legally couldn't happen. Hasn't stopped RAH managment before.

(This comes from a CHQ pilot.)
 
stop bickering, if one aquires the next, as ALPA sees it, the winner takes all.......look at what happened to TWA pilots. They were stapled to the bottom of the AA list. End of story. CHI&^%^%&UA has some grand ideas, or at least their leadership does. And it appears that DAL is in trouble and wants to unload its pricy regional. This all sucks because i think Comair is the poster child for what all regional pilot groups should look to be like. They set a standard and the rest of us have not lived up to it. I am a Mesaba pilot and i have to allow guys from ExpressJEts sit in my jumpseat and tell me he wishes they could take some NWA flying so he can have a base closer to home........by the way guys and gals, especially you newbies like this guy is, have a little respect and do not brag about wishing your company would take your job away from another......and do not offer a 15 year jet captain and a three year FO to walk their resumes in for them......

where is this place going...i mean our industry.....i for one will vote no to most likely any contract handed to our union by MEsaba and the judge......cause this is the last stop for me in this industry, unless a major starts hiring regional FO's with no PIC time....HA
 
First...no "50 seat regional" has the range that XJT has with the 145XR. So it doesn't matter if RAH acquires CMR or not, they cannot replace the CAL flying unless its with an a/c that has less than 50 seats. Also the CAL press release about CHQ specifically stated that CHQ would acquire any a/c that XJT returned to CAL. XJT is not returning any a/c to CAL. Second the AA TWA acquisition was between separate unions just as this would be so please listen to Neal. Third, I apologize to any Mesaba pilots for any dumb ass XJT pilots that might have come across the wrong way. I'm sure he/she meant it in the best possible way considering what's going on over there.
 
arthompson said:
Seperate Unions or not, it's still Allegheny Mohawk that governs the merger

This isn't true. If the seniority list integration is between 2 ALPA carriers, then ALPA Merger Policy applies (similar to Allegheny/Mohawk but not exact).

-Neal
 
FlyingDawg said:
Bedford's theory is to not buy a company larger than yourself. In doing so the labor rules of the larger company would prevail and that is not good because something isn't working right if they are for sale.

This isn't true either. IF both pilot groups are integrated, a separate new negotiations process to combine the 2 contracts would apply.

FlyingDawg said:
In the meantime, Expressjet enters codeshare agreements to operate aircraft for another codeshare (AMR) or on their own (charter). At some point in time this unit is spunoff or sold, thus downsizing Expressjet. At that time RAH buys the unit operating the CO codeshare (BB "buy smaller approach"). Chautauqua still operates a single type.

Huh? I think I saw a man by the grassy knoll too...

FlyingDawg said:
The recent announcement by CO to bid out their express flying has put Expressjet on notice. They must reduce costs or risk losing addition aircraft at the next round in 2 years. This might be a better scenario than competing and a possibility of withering on the vine. Placing 69 aircraft can't be an easy task. But trying to do it 4 times is a nightmare. Management has a fiduciary duty its shareholders, this might be their answer.

Just 2 observations (and I could make many more). First, The next round isn't in 24 months...second, IF Continental were to remove another 1/4 of XJT's aircraft at the next opportunity, it is 1/4 of the remaining 205, not another 69 jets.

-Neal
 
xjhawk said:
stop bickering, if one aquires the next, as ALPA sees it, the winner takes all.......look at what happened to TWA pilots. They were stapled to the bottom of the AA list. End of story.

Ugh, at the risk of opening up this can of works (again), the AA/TWA seniority integration was not typical in any sense of the word. TWA was only acquired by Carty on the condition that TWA ALPA rescind its seniority claims. In other words, a seniority merger agreement was made between the parties prior to AA's acquisition of TWA. This case really doesn't apply to what we are talking about here.

-Neal
 
Ready2Fly said:
Since CHQ and Comair are seperate unions and since CHQ would BUY Comair, a buddy of mine and CHQ said that the overwhelming sentiment at CHQ is to staple the Comair list to the bottom of the CHQ list.

If that happens, I don't believe you will have any operational integrity. I am submiting my resignation (I have a class date with some one else) so this will not affect me, but the CMR folks will undermine everything about the operation if they are treated that way. You can take that to the bank.
 
generaltso said:
You need to re read your contract. Hard to whipsaw two pilot groups when they are all on the same list.

It would be nice if the company read it as well. "Just grieve it" is something you get tired of hearing. A contract is worth nothing if both parties don't abide by it.

I also remember a "No harm-No foul" quote when they just integrated Shuttle however they felt like it at first.
 
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