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Brother Francis
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The difference between CHQ and PSA
I dunno what your POH says about stabilized approaches, but that would be illegal for us.
Do you do this in order to meet your schedule? I fail to see where the 30 seconds or so you might save would make a difference.
It is possible to hold 250 to 5 miles and have it stabilized by 500' (per POH) but personally I prefer not to unnecessarily abuse the pax. I am not victimized by the testosterone induced "need for speed" Lance Crossfire, ace of base thing that you will hopefully outgrow someday.
As far as the loss of U flying, we'll deal with that if/when it occurs and we will not cry "FOUL" and blame you for it. I hear you taking your deep breath to begin your crowing at the misfortune (?) of others and sense your quivering expectation of the satisfaction you will gain by doing so. Maybe you'll outgrow that someday, too. We, on the other hand, are pleased for you that you will finally be getting the jets you should have had years ago and do not tie the issues it may create at CHQ to the fact you are deserving of this. We're happy for you and as I said, we'll deal with the fallout.
Nor will we deny you jumpseats as it has been rumored has been happening to our guys at the hands of WO pilots. We do not wield the jumpseat as a personal or political weapon.
BTW, if I am to be denied the pleasure of enjoying the fine service at PHL I will probably drink Drano in my despair.
All the best to you and all of your colleagues at the WO carriers; sincerely. It's been a long time coming.
I dunno what your POH says about stabilized approaches, but that would be illegal for us.
Do you do this in order to meet your schedule? I fail to see where the 30 seconds or so you might save would make a difference.
It is possible to hold 250 to 5 miles and have it stabilized by 500' (per POH) but personally I prefer not to unnecessarily abuse the pax. I am not victimized by the testosterone induced "need for speed" Lance Crossfire, ace of base thing that you will hopefully outgrow someday.
As far as the loss of U flying, we'll deal with that if/when it occurs and we will not cry "FOUL" and blame you for it. I hear you taking your deep breath to begin your crowing at the misfortune (?) of others and sense your quivering expectation of the satisfaction you will gain by doing so. Maybe you'll outgrow that someday, too. We, on the other hand, are pleased for you that you will finally be getting the jets you should have had years ago and do not tie the issues it may create at CHQ to the fact you are deserving of this. We're happy for you and as I said, we'll deal with the fallout.
Nor will we deny you jumpseats as it has been rumored has been happening to our guys at the hands of WO pilots. We do not wield the jumpseat as a personal or political weapon.
BTW, if I am to be denied the pleasure of enjoying the fine service at PHL I will probably drink Drano in my despair.
All the best to you and all of your colleagues at the WO carriers; sincerely. It's been a long time coming.
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BTDII
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328dude said:
I was'nt trying to start panic, but this news was just too good to keep inside. Besides if they did'nt want it leaked out it should'nt have been answered in a certain forum that took place last week.
I know it'll be awhile before anything happens, but with this new "glimmer" of hope that all of U's flying will, in the future, be done by with group pilots you can't help but to start feeling a little better about our situation.
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Re: The difference between CHQ and PSA
Brother Francis,
What are you getting all bent of shape for. It was a joke in reply to someone else kidding around. But yes it is in our FSM (High Speed Visual Approach) but its not really 250 to the marker. Thats just what the plane is capable of. We have to slow to 180 before decent and be configured before crossing the outer marker.(This approach is backed up by the ILS) We can maintain 180kias to 500' because we never use full flaps at PSA. Flaps 32 is only for emergency. As long as we are stabilized by 500' and @ 50' be @ ref, its legal. There is no need for speed here. 1. Its designed to be able to flow easily with the jet traffic and avoid being number 25 to most places. But ATC choices most of the time to not take advantage of this planes abilities.
With regard to the loss of U flying that has "not been anounced" yet. I was not throwing it in anybodys face, just pointing out what is going to happen.
I will not be happy that pilots at other companys may lose work, rather just happy at the hope of keeping flying within the US Airways Group Pilot ranks. And as far as I know, no one at PSA is playing games with the jumpseat. Your welcome aboard anytime.
Good Luck
BTDII
Brother Francis said:
Brother Francis,
What are you getting all bent of shape for. It was a joke in reply to someone else kidding around. But yes it is in our FSM (High Speed Visual Approach) but its not really 250 to the marker. Thats just what the plane is capable of. We have to slow to 180 before decent and be configured before crossing the outer marker.(This approach is backed up by the ILS) We can maintain 180kias to 500' because we never use full flaps at PSA. Flaps 32 is only for emergency. As long as we are stabilized by 500' and @ 50' be @ ref, its legal. There is no need for speed here. 1. Its designed to be able to flow easily with the jet traffic and avoid being number 25 to most places. But ATC choices most of the time to not take advantage of this planes abilities.
With regard to the loss of U flying that has "not been anounced" yet. I was not throwing it in anybodys face, just pointing out what is going to happen.
I will not be happy that pilots at other companys may lose work, rather just happy at the hope of keeping flying within the US Airways Group Pilot ranks. And as far as I know, no one at PSA is playing games with the jumpseat. Your welcome aboard anytime.
Good Luck
BTDII
You say that nothing will be anounced for a while. What's the time frame? Also, what's your best guess on the unlucky two airlines? My guess is TSA and CHQ. I'd appreciate any info for planning purposes. The sky is already falling over here and it would be nice to know when to get serious about resumes. It's only right that this flying goes back to you, but it will affect a lot of guys here. That's not your fault though.
If this info is too sensitive to post, you can PM me.
Thanks and good luck.
If this info is too sensitive to post, you can PM me.
Thanks and good luck.
328dude
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The two companies, are CHQ and TSA.
Time frame? By the end of the fourth quarter.
This does not mean you will be out of a job. Both CHQ and TSA are very resourceful in regards to marketing strategy. I would not worry about it.
However said that the three WO's are using the jumpseat as a political weapon, I'd like to know who these guys were and when.
Your welcome in my jumpseat anytime and thank you for letting me use yours.
Time frame? By the end of the fourth quarter.
This does not mean you will be out of a job. Both CHQ and TSA are very resourceful in regards to marketing strategy. I would not worry about it.
However said that the three WO's are using the jumpseat as a political weapon, I'd like to know who these guys were and when.
Your welcome in my jumpseat anytime and thank you for letting me use yours.
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Hello... McFly...
Alright, everyone grab a Q-tip and clean the wax out of your ears. I don't know about TSA, but Chautauqua is GETTING MORE JETS FOR AIRWAYS, nine more to be exact as announced by our CEO in last week's newsletter, dated May 16, 2003. I may not be a nuclear physicist, but I am smart enough to know that getting more jets mid summer is the exact opposite of losing jets by the end of the year.
I know everyone likes to spread rumors about what they speculate may happen or what they wish would happen, but maybe everyone's posts would be more respected if they were based on actual fact.
Alright, everyone grab a Q-tip and clean the wax out of your ears. I don't know about TSA, but Chautauqua is GETTING MORE JETS FOR AIRWAYS, nine more to be exact as announced by our CEO in last week's newsletter, dated May 16, 2003. I may not be a nuclear physicist, but I am smart enough to know that getting more jets mid summer is the exact opposite of losing jets by the end of the year.
I know everyone likes to spread rumors about what they speculate may happen or what they wish would happen, but maybe everyone's posts would be more respected if they were based on actual fact.
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Re: Hello... McFly...
I'm sorry man, but there're not just rumors. They are based on fact from those "in the know". The cat was let out of the bag at a recent Q&A that was held here. Whether or not this person was to keep quiet about this info is not known and it would be too late to do anything about it now anyway.
I understand that your getting 9 more A/C, but that would'nt change a thing. Airways wants RJ's and right now until our deliveries the contract carriers are the ones flying them.
Remember it does'nt cost Airways Anything for your company to add planes. Think about, if you were in charge of CHQ and you knew you were going to lose the contract with Airways in say a couple of years. Would'nt you continue to add planes if Airways said they needed you to cover a little more flying. Of course you would, you would want to try to keep making money as long as you could. And by adding nine more planes gives CHQ nine more "fee for departure" aircraft that they can make money on.
I wish you the best, but things will change for the contract carriers in an "unspecified time".
ERJpusher said:
I'm sorry man, but there're not just rumors. They are based on fact from those "in the know". The cat was let out of the bag at a recent Q&A that was held here. Whether or not this person was to keep quiet about this info is not known and it would be too late to do anything about it now anyway.
I understand that your getting 9 more A/C, but that would'nt change a thing. Airways wants RJ's and right now until our deliveries the contract carriers are the ones flying them.
Remember it does'nt cost Airways Anything for your company to add planes. Think about, if you were in charge of CHQ and you knew you were going to lose the contract with Airways in say a couple of years. Would'nt you continue to add planes if Airways said they needed you to cover a little more flying. Of course you would, you would want to try to keep making money as long as you could. And by adding nine more planes gives CHQ nine more "fee for departure" aircraft that they can make money on.
I wish you the best, but things will change for the contract carriers in an "unspecified time".
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ERJPusher: This is not a rumor. I wish I could release the info I have on here, but I can't because of "Sensitive Nature" of the document which I have recieved from Crystal City.
Like I said though, don't worry about it. It's not like you guys are going to be filing Chapter 7 or anything.
BTDII: Please find me sometime on line if you can.
Like I said though, don't worry about it. It's not like you guys are going to be filing Chapter 7 or anything.
BTDII: Please find me sometime on line if you can.
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hellas
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Republic Airways Holdings Orders an Additional Twelve Embraer ERJ 145 Regional Jets
Monday May 19, 6:30 pm ET
INDIANAPOLIS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 19, 2003--Republic Airways Holdings Inc., the parent of Chautauqua Airlines and Republic Airlines announced today the order of an additional twelve Embraer ERJ 145LR aircraft. Delivery of the first four aircraft will begin in August, with delivery of the remaining eight, subject to Republic Airways Holdings finalizing financing to be completed by February 2004. Three of the aircraft will be placed into service with Chautauqua Airlines and nine aircraft will be placed into service with Republic Airlines. The order is valued at approximately $240 Million.
"The addition of twelve Embraer regional jets to the fleets of Republic Airways Holdings' subsidiaries will offer expanded opportunities with our partner US Airways," said Bryan Bedford Chairman, president and CEO of Republic Airways Holdings. "This order will allow us to further strengthen Republic Airways Holdings' position as an industry leader in delivering high quality, low cost regional jet lift to our major airline partners."
"Today's announcement reflects the continued strong market acceptance of Embraer's 50 seat regional jet. Our customers benefit from the excellent operating economics, reliability and unmatched flexibility, a combination that has led to the deserved popularity of the Embraer ERJ family. Republic Airways Holdings is a valued customer and through its subsidiaries is the third largest operator of Embraer aircraft worldwide," said Mauricio Botelho, President and CEO of Embraer.
Republic Airways Holdings, based in Indianapolis, Indiana is an airline holding company owned by investment funds organized and managed by Wexford Capital LLC, a Greenwich, Connecticut-based investment advisor. Republic currently owns two regional airline subsidiaries: Chautauqua Airlines, based in Indianapolis, Indiana and Republic Airlines, based in Louisville, Kentucky.
Chautauqua offers scheduled passenger service on approximately 430 flights daily to 56 cities in 26 states and Canada through code sharing agreements with three major U.S. airlines. The all-jet airline currently operates a fleet of 71 Embraer regional jets, including 47 ERJ-145s, 15 ERJ-140s and 9 ERJ-135's. All of its flights are operated under its major airline partner brand, such as AmericanConnection, Delta Connection or US Airways Express. The airline employs more than 1,600 aviation professionals.
Chautauqua Airlines is one of only two carriers worldwide that operate all three variants of the ERJ platform including the 135, 140 and 145. The ERJ 145 provides three-abreast, 31" pitch, leather seating designed to increase passenger comfort. Exceptionally designed interiors feature well-sized overhead bins and wardrobes, along with a roomy 71-cu.ft lavatory.
Republic Airlines is a new regional airline, which will operate up to 23 Embraer ERJ 145LR regional jets for US Airways under a fixed-fee code share agreement. Republic is anticipated to begin scheduled service in October, 2003.
More information on Republic Airways Holdings can be found at the company's website at www.rjet.com.
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Contact:
Republic Airways Holdings Inc.
Warren R. Wilkinson, 317/710-4323
Republic Airways Holdings Orders an Additional Twelve Embraer ERJ 145 Regional Jets
Monday May 19, 6:30 pm ET
INDIANAPOLIS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 19, 2003--Republic Airways Holdings Inc., the parent of Chautauqua Airlines and Republic Airlines announced today the order of an additional twelve Embraer ERJ 145LR aircraft. Delivery of the first four aircraft will begin in August, with delivery of the remaining eight, subject to Republic Airways Holdings finalizing financing to be completed by February 2004. Three of the aircraft will be placed into service with Chautauqua Airlines and nine aircraft will be placed into service with Republic Airlines. The order is valued at approximately $240 Million.
"The addition of twelve Embraer regional jets to the fleets of Republic Airways Holdings' subsidiaries will offer expanded opportunities with our partner US Airways," said Bryan Bedford Chairman, president and CEO of Republic Airways Holdings. "This order will allow us to further strengthen Republic Airways Holdings' position as an industry leader in delivering high quality, low cost regional jet lift to our major airline partners."
"Today's announcement reflects the continued strong market acceptance of Embraer's 50 seat regional jet. Our customers benefit from the excellent operating economics, reliability and unmatched flexibility, a combination that has led to the deserved popularity of the Embraer ERJ family. Republic Airways Holdings is a valued customer and through its subsidiaries is the third largest operator of Embraer aircraft worldwide," said Mauricio Botelho, President and CEO of Embraer.
Republic Airways Holdings, based in Indianapolis, Indiana is an airline holding company owned by investment funds organized and managed by Wexford Capital LLC, a Greenwich, Connecticut-based investment advisor. Republic currently owns two regional airline subsidiaries: Chautauqua Airlines, based in Indianapolis, Indiana and Republic Airlines, based in Louisville, Kentucky.
Chautauqua offers scheduled passenger service on approximately 430 flights daily to 56 cities in 26 states and Canada through code sharing agreements with three major U.S. airlines. The all-jet airline currently operates a fleet of 71 Embraer regional jets, including 47 ERJ-145s, 15 ERJ-140s and 9 ERJ-135's. All of its flights are operated under its major airline partner brand, such as AmericanConnection, Delta Connection or US Airways Express. The airline employs more than 1,600 aviation professionals.
Chautauqua Airlines is one of only two carriers worldwide that operate all three variants of the ERJ platform including the 135, 140 and 145. The ERJ 145 provides three-abreast, 31" pitch, leather seating designed to increase passenger comfort. Exceptionally designed interiors feature well-sized overhead bins and wardrobes, along with a roomy 71-cu.ft lavatory.
Republic Airlines is a new regional airline, which will operate up to 23 Embraer ERJ 145LR regional jets for US Airways under a fixed-fee code share agreement. Republic is anticipated to begin scheduled service in October, 2003.
More information on Republic Airways Holdings can be found at the company's website at www.rjet.com.
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Republic Airways Holdings Inc.
Warren R. Wilkinson, 317/710-4323
328dude
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If you read the posts above, I never mentioned Rupublic.
Just CHQ, not Republic and TSA. If you dont fly for Republic, and fly for CHQ, you won't be flying USAir colors by fourth quarter according to my summary sheet here. Rupublic will start service with these new airplanes in October 2003.
Hmmm, how bout them apples?
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