Chautauqua Proving Runs

[phishhman]

Can anyone at CHQ prove or disprove this rumor? I have seen CHQ 170's in IAH. Are they just flying IAH-IAD for UAL, or are you doing proving runs to LAX, BOS, etc? These are things I hear floatin' around.

 

[aewanabe]

Just IAD-IAH for UA.

 

[Nova]

Where does the ORD departure go to?

 

[elguapo9]

right now, IAD and IND I think. Maybe also BDL and ROC

 

[HAZ-MAT]

I saw a 170 last week in BDL painted in UsAir colors.

 

[i'mbatman]

that was mid-atlantic.....the CHQ/REP Emb-170's are also doing ORD-MSY if i'm correct

 

[sluminginpit]

It is sad to see this type of airplane going to a contract carrier.

If you belive the unions are the right answer to the airline, here is proof they are failing all of us.

With the contract carriers continuing to grow and purchasing larger planes there has been a creation of a C scale. I understand the excitment the pilots working at these companies feel, I myself was excited when my company purchased new RJ's.

However, now I talk with close friends who have spent over 17 yrs with US, Before Sept 11, they were Captains making 150K, know reserve FO making roughly 75-80k! That's a 70K paycut! I understand the frustration of these pilots.

My advise to all others who dream of making the majors a career goal. Be careful what you wish for (flying 170's at CHA, or any other contract or regional airline) because you just might get excatlly what you want, FOREVER !

 

[NDM]

It is sad to see this type of airplane going to a contract carrier.

If you belive the unions are the right answer to the airline, here is proof they are failing all of us.

With the contract carriers continuing to grow and purchasing larger planes there has been a creation of a C scale. I understand the excitment the pilots working at these companies feel, I myself was excited when my company purchased new RJ's.

However, now I talk with close friends who have spent over 17 yrs with US, Before Sept 11, they were Captains making 150K, know reserve FO making roughly 75-80k! That's a 70K paycut! I understand the frustration of these pilots.

My advise to all others who dream of making the majors a career goal. Be careful what you wish for (flying 170's at CHA, or any other contract or regional airline) because you just might get excatlly what you want, FOREVER !

I am flying the 170 for CHQ and I agree with you. See my post titled Mainline and Regional Relationships on the Majors Board.

So, I will ask- do we fix it at the Regional level or the Mainline Level? What comes first. Who's fault it is, is a moot point now. We all are doing the best with what we were dealt. Doesn't matter who the dealer is.

Fly Safe

Dan

 

[aewanabe]

It is sad to see this type of airplane going to a contract carrier.

Okay, I read the rest of your post before starting to spit fire here. You know, because Mid-Atlantic, the first 170 operator, is such a great career destination. (Contract carrier as opposed to a wholly-owned? How about ANY regional... then you said exactly that)

The fact of the matter is that it IS sad to see a mini-Airbus here at the regionals, no matter if your particular company is owned by Wexford, UAIR Group, the dysfunctional Delta family, or anyone else. While it may no longer be feasible for the majors to support 90-120K for a narrow-body FO and 140-190K for the Captain, the opposite extreme is just sad. It's really a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** shame the mainline pilot groups didn't manage to keep these airplanes on their lists, even at some sort of C-scale. IIRC, one of the J4J guys I flew with who was ex-PI said their F-28 rates (BTW the 170 is bigger than some versions of that airplane) ran about 25-60K in the right seat and 80-140 in the left. Payrates that recognized the smaller revenue potential of the airplane yet kept the flying firmly on the mainline property with the potential to advance to better equipment, pay, etc.... Sigh.

 

[Air Biscuit]

This whole **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**!ng problem started with mainline pilots and ALPA led the way. Now they wonder why their pay is being forced downward. It is quite sad to see piloting careers being flushed down the toilet, but now it's in the hands of "rj" pilots who continue to accept substandard pay and benefits. Pilots are their own worst enemies.

 

[Mike man]

I thought the 50-70 seat jets were too small for the Main Line pilots...the RJ's were/are to small for the Main Line guys...they negotiated the "small jet" flying away.

What do you think of real Airbuses at Independence? What about CRJ-700's/CRJ-900's (mini MD80's) at other carriers?

Why do CRJ-700's belong at regionals but EMB170's don't?

 

[jumppilot]

Why do CRJ-700's belong at regionals but EMB170's don't?

I've wondered the same thing. Perhaps because it looks like a big airplane?

CHQ is continuing a trend that was started a long time ago, and capitalizing on a precedence that was set at other carriers years ago.

 

[Yeah]

I thought the 50-70 seat jets were too small for the Main Line pilots...the RJ's were/are to small for the Main Line guys...they negotiated the "small jet" flying away.

What do you think of real Airbuses at Independence? What about CRJ-700's/CRJ-900's (mini MD80's) at other carriers?

Why do CRJ-700's belong at regionals but EMB170's don't?

What do you think of real Airbuses at Independence?

First of all we fly our own customers. Secondly, we have a payscale for the A319 that is in the middle of all LCC's. Check it out for yourself at www.airlinepilotpay.com

Does a E170 FO at CHQ make more than a E145 FO? That hurts.

 

[AVDAD]

Hammer-Nailhead

I've wondered the same thing. Perhaps because it looks like a big airplane?

CHQ is continuing a trend that was started a long time ago, and capitalizing on a precedence that was set at other carriers years ago.

jumppilot hit the nail on the head. Mainline guys were too good for the regional type aircraft and created this situation a long time ago. They had a chance to incorporate these a/c in their stables but chose not to do so. My good friend and next door neighbor who is retired from a major admitted this to me saying they just missed the boat on this one.

In a perfect world these a/c would have been a great platform to begin ones career in but it's too late now.

Everyone is trying to make a living, let go of the past and concentrate on the future. Mend fences, help each other out. I like to think that all things happen for a reason, it's your future and it's in your hands.

It was my dream to fly for the airlines however it just didn't work out. Much to my son's chagrin I now do so vicariously.

Fly safe,

Avdad

 

[Peanut gallery]

Scope of Scope

Unfortunately this race to the bottom, seems never to stop. Only when other factors start showing will the race stop. Look at the American Connection accident, the public was briefly aware of the problem of cutting cost ie: crew scheduling. and now has moved on to new ideas. The public wants to pay the min and as a buisiness we are in stiff competition with each other. The race will stop when the public starts wanting to pay for a different product.
One other point, at United I asked a Chicago puzzle palace Manager about what if we lowered our net crew cost to fly these 70 seaters. The answer was straight to the point. There are more cost associated at levels in our organization, such as MX, Ramp, and gate agents just to name a few, and the providers have significantly reduced cost in all those areas. The full time verses part time part of the equation is stagering. Also the cost and willingness of financing for these operations is much more atractive, for the providers. He stated were using their dime and stock stability and sometimes growth to accomplish financially that which is currently out of reach. Just what the man said.

Peanut