I'm going to try and squeeze a question in between this match. I'm a CHQ poolie from purdue also (yes I've flipped burgers, instructed and waited tables, so please no animosity). This may be a stupid question but do you think orlando will go really senior? I ask b/c I'm from the south florida area and would love to come back. 4 years in lafayette and i realize winters aren't my cup of tea. One more thing.....as I sit here anxiously awaiting a phone call with my lease ending in aug 15, I'm wondering if anyone has heard anything about when the first new hire class may come into play? Thanks in advance!
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I see now. BVT1151 is with Comair. That is why he is so messed up. He's one of the "REGIONAL JETS BELONG AT THE REGIONAL CARRIERS, NOT THE MAJORS" kinda Comair guys. I'm sure he was hired later, but fits in well with all the other heroes who paid Comair $10,000 each and worked long hours without pay. But then got all wrapped up in "all the union revelry and forgot about reality" by expecting their union brothers at the other ALPA airlines to pay for them to strike their way out of the damage their own pilots caused the profession. I'd be crazy to think he was going to thank his fellow ALPA pilots for buying Comair the contract he currently enjoys. BVT is not alone at Comair though. I'm sure a fair majority feel zero gratitude for the rest of us ALPA pukes who dug them out of the mess they created for themselves there so they could have a nice contract and fly their RJ's.
I see now. BVT1151 is with Comair. That is why he is so messed up. He's one of the "REGIONAL JETS BELONG AT THE REGIONAL CARRIERS, NOT THE MAJORS" kinda Comair guys. I'm sure he was hired later, but fits in well with all the other heroes who paid Comair $10,000 each and worked long hours without pay. But then got all wrapped up in "all the union revelry and forgot about reality" by expecting their union brothers at the other ALPA airlines to pay for them to strike their way out of the damage their own pilots caused the profession. I'd be crazy to think he was going to thank his fellow ALPA pilots for buying Comair the contract he currently enjoys. BVT is not alone at Comair though. I'm sure a fair majority feel zero gratitude for the rest of us ALPA pukes who dug them out of the mess they created for themselves there so they could have a nice contract and fly their RJ's.
Why would someone choose to flight instruct for 3000 hours, knowing they could go through a school with a bridge program and get an airline job much faster? (not to mention an education)i'm not talking about the early '90's, i'm talking about the way things are now. i'm sorry you had to "earn your job the hard way", but i don't plan to instruct and flip burgers for a few more years just to earn your respect. If you were presented such an opportunity, you'd have taken ahold of it without a second thought.
Military pilots can fly T-38's after as much time as it takes the rest of us to 'upgrade' to a Cessna 182. Agreed, 300 hours is very low time, but there is something to be said for quality of training experience. How much is a 3000-hr. CFI learning with every new touch and go?
Military pilots can fly T-38's after as much time as it takes the rest of us to 'upgrade' to a Cessna 182. Agreed, 300 hours is very low time, but there is something to be said for quality of training experience. How much is a 3000-hr. CFI learning with every new touch and go?
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I'm a former CHQ pilot and Purdue grad. wishing to interject some reason here. Especially since I'm no longer in the airline game... (By choice, not furlough...) The opportunity given to us is, by any measure, is an outstanding one. Also one that ANYONE would take advantage of. But, it's a priviledge, not a right and could all come crashing down with a CEO or other management change at CHQ. I joined CHQ with about 800 hrs. and soon found out that the percentage of 727 knowledge used is about zero. All that brain beating teaches you is how to learn systems. It DOES NOT teach you one thing about stick and rudder skills. That's where tooling around in a Piper, Cessna, or whatever helps out. Don't think for ONE MINUTE that just because you've got 100 hrs. in the 727 sim, the Beechjet type (along with those 100 hrs.), etc. that your GRRRR EAT.
Keep your mouth shut about your background and prove yourself behind the stick. Which isn't entirely difficult. I guess what I'm saying is BE HUMBLE. Statements like, "They KNOW jets and have been flying for 4 years with a discipline thats been related to military flying. Better yet (or worse yet for you) during checkrides, they regularly outfly those 2000 hour pilots who are wandering the streets." is NOT being humble. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with all of that nonsense, but I think when you are given the kind of opportunity we were and are still given those are the kind of statements that if thought, they're not vocalized.
It's times like these, when those less fortunate are wandering the streets, hoping like hell to get back in to the cockpit and feed their families, that we keep our mouths shut and greatfully accept ANY opportunity afforded us. Purdue IS a fine school that allowed me to have some pretty cool deals float my way, but it sure didn't teach me everything. Keep level heads and the rest you'll figure out as you go.
Keep your mouth shut about your background and prove yourself behind the stick. Which isn't entirely difficult. I guess what I'm saying is BE HUMBLE. Statements like, "They KNOW jets and have been flying for 4 years with a discipline thats been related to military flying. Better yet (or worse yet for you) during checkrides, they regularly outfly those 2000 hour pilots who are wandering the streets." is NOT being humble. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with all of that nonsense, but I think when you are given the kind of opportunity we were and are still given those are the kind of statements that if thought, they're not vocalized.
It's times like these, when those less fortunate are wandering the streets, hoping like hell to get back in to the cockpit and feed their families, that we keep our mouths shut and greatfully accept ANY opportunity afforded us. Purdue IS a fine school that allowed me to have some pretty cool deals float my way, but it sure didn't teach me everything. Keep level heads and the rest you'll figure out as you go.
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How can you guys be in a pool for CHQ when the HR lady told me they arent hiring and still have guys laided off? Just curious because I will calling her back again tomorrow.
Also,
"They KNOW jets and have been flying for 4 years with a discipline thats been related to military flying.
Did the guy who wrote this have military time under his belt? Did he fly F18's with the Marines in Desert Storm and then transfer to Purdue to finish his education? Maybe it was the Navy and F-14's? Or the Army and AH-64 Apaches? Just curious....seems like he knows a lot.
Also,
"They KNOW jets and have been flying for 4 years with a discipline thats been related to military flying.
Did the guy who wrote this have military time under his belt? Did he fly F18's with the Marines in Desert Storm and then transfer to Purdue to finish his education? Maybe it was the Navy and F-14's? Or the Army and AH-64 Apaches? Just curious....seems like he knows a lot.
I can't stand arrogant pilots, either. But I haven't noticed any more arrogance around Purdue than anywhere else where pilots are. (I could mention attitudes at another university, but we don't need more finger-pointing).
h25b, I agree. We don't think for a minute that knowing 727 numbers will ever be of real value, but we recognize that it helps prepare us for ground school in any transport-category airplane. Our profs tell us this.
I only wish people wouldn't flame Purdue for the opinions of a few vocal and overly-proud students.
h25b, I agree. We don't think for a minute that knowing 727 numbers will ever be of real value, but we recognize that it helps prepare us for ground school in any transport-category airplane. Our profs tell us this.
I only wish people wouldn't flame Purdue for the opinions of a few vocal and overly-proud students.
Checks
Checks, the Chautauqua pool most likely results from the announcement of the new codeshare aggreement with Delta. The pilots currently flying the Orlando routes are going to be offered the positions first. Whether or not they choose to stay with Comair for seniority purposes and are willing to move or choose to stay near Orlando and start at the bottom of the seniority list with Chautauqua will be their choice. If they choose to stay with Comair, this will open up several positions for Chautauqua. Some will be absorbed by the ongoing retraining of the Saab pilots into the RJs. This is where most of the recall is occuring at the present. And given the fact that these flights out of Orlando are not due to commence until November gives Chautauqua a little time to sort things out, hence the pool in waiting.
Checks, the Chautauqua pool most likely results from the announcement of the new codeshare aggreement with Delta. The pilots currently flying the Orlando routes are going to be offered the positions first. Whether or not they choose to stay with Comair for seniority purposes and are willing to move or choose to stay near Orlando and start at the bottom of the seniority list with Chautauqua will be their choice. If they choose to stay with Comair, this will open up several positions for Chautauqua. Some will be absorbed by the ongoing retraining of the Saab pilots into the RJs. This is where most of the recall is occuring at the present. And given the fact that these flights out of Orlando are not due to commence until November gives Chautauqua a little time to sort things out, hence the pool in waiting.
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"The pilots currently flying the Orlando routes are going to be offered the positions first."
what is that all about? I thought that comair will be moving into DFW. If the orlando guys leave comair, then comair will be short on pilots for DFW, wont they?? I can see CHQ interviewing in the near future to fill these positions, but I doubt one single comair guy is going to jump to the bottom of CHQ's seniority list. It just doens't make any sense other than not having to move....and thats never a certainty. What if MCO goes real senior (although if there are lower payscales for the EMB-135 this probably wont be the case). Then are these comair guys going to magically bid the most senior base at CHQ soon after they start? I don't think so. Just doesn't make sense pilotdad....maybe I'm just not understanding your post.
"The pilots currently flying the Orlando routes are going to be offered the positions first."
what is that all about? I thought that comair will be moving into DFW. If the orlando guys leave comair, then comair will be short on pilots for DFW, wont they?? I can see CHQ interviewing in the near future to fill these positions, but I doubt one single comair guy is going to jump to the bottom of CHQ's seniority list. It just doens't make any sense other than not having to move....and thats never a certainty. What if MCO goes real senior (although if there are lower payscales for the EMB-135 this probably wont be the case). Then are these comair guys going to magically bid the most senior base at CHQ soon after they start? I don't think so. Just doesn't make sense pilotdad....maybe I'm just not understanding your post.
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Maybe it does not make sense, but that is the word I have heard. There might be some newbie FOs working there that might be interested in keeping the route. I do not know how senior MCO is to Comair. It is just an option thrown out to them I guess. Comair I believe has a large pool to draw from so I do not think they will be short of pilots. Like you say, it probably won't be senior since they will be flying the 135. Who knows in this business.
Maybe it does not make sense, but that is the word I have heard. There might be some newbie FOs working there that might be interested in keeping the route. I do not know how senior MCO is to Comair. It is just an option thrown out to them I guess. Comair I believe has a large pool to draw from so I do not think they will be short of pilots. Like you say, it probably won't be senior since they will be flying the 135. Who knows in this business.
Pilotdad
The question that I get out of all of this is where are you getting your information from? Come November Comair is out of MCO, only CHQ pilots, so those pilot's have no say in anything whether they stay there or not, unless they decided to interview with CHQ, get the job, and then have the ability to bid MCO as their crew base. As far as the Purdue bashing going on, me nor any of my fellow classmates have made any statements regarding that we are better than any other pilot's out there. I know, and I think my classmates, that were fortunate to be placed in the hiring pool at CHQ, feel extremely lucky and grateful to be given an opportunity as such. And we will do our best to meet if not exceed the expectations set in front of us.
The question that I get out of all of this is where are you getting your information from? Come November Comair is out of MCO, only CHQ pilots, so those pilot's have no say in anything whether they stay there or not, unless they decided to interview with CHQ, get the job, and then have the ability to bid MCO as their crew base. As far as the Purdue bashing going on, me nor any of my fellow classmates have made any statements regarding that we are better than any other pilot's out there. I know, and I think my classmates, that were fortunate to be placed in the hiring pool at CHQ, feel extremely lucky and grateful to be given an opportunity as such. And we will do our best to meet if not exceed the expectations set in front of us.
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Purdue Bashing???
Purdue Bashing???
Did you READ what that kid wrote? Did you hear the arrogance in his words? It had NOTHING to do with Purdue, and EVERYTHING to do with HIM.
He should have chosen his audiance a little bit more carefully. The vast majority of the pilots here flight instructed until they had 1200 hours, then flew single-pilot night freight until they were given the opportunity to fly for Chautauqua.
But even then they didnt slide right into the right seat of a regional jet -- oh no, they were out in the cold Jamestown winter with no autopilot driving a Metroliner, or spinning the props on a Jetstream after shutdown in Altoona. On sundays they flew 10 legs a day and were proud to be doing it.
There is nothing wrong with pride on one's alma mater, however a little humility will take him a long way. He has in no way, shape, or form paid his dues. He is making a fantastic leap in career progression and should feel PRIVILEGED to have that opportunity. There are Captains at Chautauqua who have been there for 8, 10, 15 years and who will not take kindly to his attitude.
If he truly is the aviator that he claims to be, then his skill will speak for itself -- but he needs to understand very clearly that he has NOT paid his dues...he has NOT earned the right to sit in that RJ... he is receiving a GIFT and should treat it as such.
Be grateful my friend, there are over 6000 ALPA pilots out there, furloughed from other airlines, who are fighting to get jobs such as yours. And some of them have actually FLOWN 727s.
Fraternally,
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Purdue Bashing???
Did you READ what that kid wrote? Did you hear the arrogance in his words? It had NOTHING to do with Purdue, and EVERYTHING to do with HIM.
He should have chosen his audiance a little bit more carefully. The vast majority of the pilots here flight instructed until they had 1200 hours, then flew single-pilot night freight until they were given the opportunity to fly for Chautauqua.
But even then they didnt slide right into the right seat of a regional jet -- oh no, they were out in the cold Jamestown winter with no autopilot driving a Metroliner, or spinning the props on a Jetstream after shutdown in Altoona. On sundays they flew 10 legs a day and were proud to be doing it.
There is nothing wrong with pride on one's alma mater, however a little humility will take him a long way. He has in no way, shape, or form paid his dues. He is making a fantastic leap in career progression and should feel PRIVILEGED to have that opportunity. There are Captains at Chautauqua who have been there for 8, 10, 15 years and who will not take kindly to his attitude.
If he truly is the aviator that he claims to be, then his skill will speak for itself -- but he needs to understand very clearly that he has NOT paid his dues...he has NOT earned the right to sit in that RJ... he is receiving a GIFT and should treat it as such.
Be grateful my friend, there are over 6000 ALPA pilots out there, furloughed from other airlines, who are fighting to get jobs such as yours. And some of them have actually FLOWN 727s.
Fraternally,
A former-big-mouth who learned his lesson the hard way.
BOTTOM LINE:
If you take ten 300hr pilots you will find one that has great ability and can keep up and do a great job in the real world. This individual will recognize that they received an excellent education that provides them with a solid foundation to start at the beginning and learn the airline business.
The other nine, what more needs to be said. They come out of school with their heads pumped so full of crap that they have no ability to shut up and listen and learn. Flying with them is like being a flight instructor all over again.
Problem is thay all come out of school with that same shiny stamp on their file. No way to tell them apart. And that is where all the resentment etc begins.
If you take ten 300hr pilots you will find one that has great ability and can keep up and do a great job in the real world. This individual will recognize that they received an excellent education that provides them with a solid foundation to start at the beginning and learn the airline business.
The other nine, what more needs to be said. They come out of school with their heads pumped so full of crap that they have no ability to shut up and listen and learn. Flying with them is like being a flight instructor all over again.
Problem is thay all come out of school with that same shiny stamp on their file. No way to tell them apart. And that is where all the resentment etc begins.
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PUFLIGHT...
Read my previous post on this thread, I BEG YOU TO READ & UNDERSTAND. It's some of the best advice I've ever given.
Remember, I was there where you are now, so I KNOW!
One things different now though. CHQ doesn't have a shortage of qualified pilots now... Obviously you didn't read bvt1151's airhead post. His/her's attitude won't fly too far in today's airline world. And speaking from the Fortune 500's corporate world, we'd tolerate that attitude for about one 3-day, that's it....
Thats all, I'll shut up now.
Read my previous post on this thread, I BEG YOU TO READ & UNDERSTAND. It's some of the best advice I've ever given.
Remember, I was there where you are now, so I KNOW!
One things different now though. CHQ doesn't have a shortage of qualified pilots now... Obviously you didn't read bvt1151's airhead post. His/her's attitude won't fly too far in today's airline world. And speaking from the Fortune 500's corporate world, we'd tolerate that attitude for about one 3-day, that's it....
Thats all, I'll shut up now.
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Another grateful Purdue poolie
I'd like to second the feelings expressed by the majority of my classmates.
We feel extremely honored and fortunate to have been accepted into the CHQ hiring pool. Although we may not have had to flip very many hamburgers or turn many Jetstream props through in sub-freezing weather, we look forward to being an integral part of CHQ and doing the best job we can for our airline and our customers.
I look forward to sitting three feet to your right!
I'd like to second the feelings expressed by the majority of my classmates.
We feel extremely honored and fortunate to have been accepted into the CHQ hiring pool. Although we may not have had to flip very many hamburgers or turn many Jetstream props through in sub-freezing weather, we look forward to being an integral part of CHQ and doing the best job we can for our airline and our customers.
I look forward to sitting three feet to your right!
puflight
You are correct. If any of the Comair pilots move to CHQ, they will have to bid from the bottom. However, I doubt that MCO will be senior for Captains as they will make more money flying a 145. I do not know about the 135 vs the 140. So maybe a few junior FOs may try to make the switch and try to get the MCO route, but I doubt if they would as many FOs already at CHQ would probably like to be in Orlando. I think their will be close to 200 new pilots hired. Good luck and get those resumes in to CHQ all you furloughed guys. At least a job is a job.
You are correct. If any of the Comair pilots move to CHQ, they will have to bid from the bottom. However, I doubt that MCO will be senior for Captains as they will make more money flying a 145. I do not know about the 135 vs the 140. So maybe a few junior FOs may try to make the switch and try to get the MCO route, but I doubt if they would as many FOs already at CHQ would probably like to be in Orlando. I think their will be close to 200 new pilots hired. Good luck and get those resumes in to CHQ all you furloughed guys. At least a job is a job.
Well, as a current flight instructor waiting for my call back to an airline, I must say that comments made in here are really getting to be pretty childish by some of the younger guys. Enough bashing, enough name calling. I flew at UND, and I in no way call myself the best or anyone out of here the best, or Embry Riddle the best, or Purdue the best. They are all great schools. My situation currently is waiting for PDT to call and get us out to fly. I am grateful (can't stress it enough) that I am able to start flying with only 1000 hours. Currently I am married, carry a total of 4 jobs to make ends meet. You snotty nosed little daddy paying brats don't know what its like to get up in -40 degree weather, fly for 5 hours, go to the next job, and then go to the other job that night. Get up and do the same thing all over again. One of my friends graduated out of UND and went straight to great lakes. Guess what he's doing now, he wants nothing to do with flying. You need to still put in your time to appreciate what is too come. I am gonna tell you guys again, you start going off at the mouth in front of a 10,000 hour captain about how much crap you went through to get where you are, you are probably gonna get a hand across the face. Change your attitudes boys, you older guys need to write in here about what it took you guys to get into the right seat so these younger punks (like me) see what others used to have to do. Quit the University bashing, "Don't be arrogant at what you do, there is always someone better then you."
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I believe about all should be recalled by the end of June. Can not say for sure. Do not know when hiring off the street will commence. All the retraining for the Saab guys takes a little while. Also point of interest, everyone who was terminated is getting his or her original hire date back for seniority purposes, so those RJ FOs who were called back first get bumped back by the Saab guys who were called back later, but had earlier hire dates. Really seems fair and eases some of the tension that was created before.
I believe about all should be recalled by the end of June. Can not say for sure. Do not know when hiring off the street will commence. All the retraining for the Saab guys takes a little while. Also point of interest, everyone who was terminated is getting his or her original hire date back for seniority purposes, so those RJ FOs who were called back first get bumped back by the Saab guys who were called back later, but had earlier hire dates. Really seems fair and eases some of the tension that was created before.
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First of all I want to aggree that we should end the College bashing. However, as a former Purdue student, who has worked his *ss off to get where he is, I want all the "poolies" to understand, that YOU DO NOT RECEIVE A PAYCHECK FROM CHAUTAUQUA!!! THEREFORE, YOU NEED TO KEEP YOUR COCKY MOUTHS SHUT. READ POSTS, BUT DO NOT WRITE IN ASKING QUESTIONS WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD "FLIGHT INSTRUCT OR HOLD OUT FOR CHQ TO CALL" you have no idea how lucky you are to be in the pool. I am aware that many of your compadres weren't so lucky. Purdue offers a wonderful program, but let your actions speek louder than your words. If you're a good stick, who cares where you were trained.
Just remember, being in the pool, barely means you will have a job. And I guarantee, it won't be until all the previous "furloughs" and existing pool members are called. Enjoy your vacations, and try getting up in the weather and build some experience. Overall, you are making the rest of us, who are so thankful to have jobs, look bad!!
To address some of the other info presented about MCO. The ramp, ops personnel, and other ground crew that choose to stay in Orlando will be offered employment with CHQ. The COMAIR pilots will not get preferential hiring just to stay in Florida. These routes will be flown by CHQ pilots.
First of all I want to aggree that we should end the College bashing. However, as a former Purdue student, who has worked his *ss off to get where he is, I want all the "poolies" to understand, that YOU DO NOT RECEIVE A PAYCHECK FROM CHAUTAUQUA!!! THEREFORE, YOU NEED TO KEEP YOUR COCKY MOUTHS SHUT. READ POSTS, BUT DO NOT WRITE IN ASKING QUESTIONS WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD "FLIGHT INSTRUCT OR HOLD OUT FOR CHQ TO CALL" you have no idea how lucky you are to be in the pool. I am aware that many of your compadres weren't so lucky. Purdue offers a wonderful program, but let your actions speek louder than your words. If you're a good stick, who cares where you were trained.
Just remember, being in the pool, barely means you will have a job. And I guarantee, it won't be until all the previous "furloughs" and existing pool members are called. Enjoy your vacations, and try getting up in the weather and build some experience. Overall, you are making the rest of us, who are so thankful to have jobs, look bad!!
To address some of the other info presented about MCO. The ramp, ops personnel, and other ground crew that choose to stay in Orlando will be offered employment with CHQ. The COMAIR pilots will not get preferential hiring just to stay in Florida. These routes will be flown by CHQ pilots.
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