Chaos

[Carl S.]

USAPA is trying to perform "K-Y", not the similar sounding chaos! The screwing of "Traitors" at every corner for the last 17 months!

 

[Draginass]

Never walk out of the cockpit on a general strike. You lose control. A chaos campaign is much harder for the execs to deal with.

 

[wms]

This is the only chaos you'll see at USSAirways.

By the way, there was a successful chaos AUG/SEP 2007.

 

[PCL_128]

Additionally, it is something that is only permissable after an impass has been declared.

Most labor attorneys will tell you that it's not even legal after a release, it's just never been challenged in court. As soon as a pilot group tries it instead of FAs, you can bet it will be challenged, and an injunction will soon result, rendering your CHAOS activities useless.

 

[Captain X]

Most labor attorneys will tell you that it's not even legal after a release, it's just never been challenged in court. As soon as a pilot group tries it instead of FAs, you can bet it will be challenged, and an injunction will soon result, rendering your CHAOS activities useless.

PCL,

Assuming a release to self-help by the NMB, why would that be? I don't understand how the "type" of job action matters if it is carried out under lawful conditions.

I have never heard that, even from ALPA attorneys and advisors that assisted with SP(s)C ops I've worked on in the past. In fact, in preliminary discussions, a CHAOS-type strike was one of the strategies we were packaging for our MEC.

Just curious.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL,

Assuming a release to self-help by the NMB, why would that be? I don't understand how the "type" of job action matters if it is carried out under lawful conditions.

A judge would likely take the intent of the RLA into account when faced with this situation. The entire purpose of the RLA is to lead to dispute resolution rather than job actions. Self help is to be as difficult as possible so neither side is able to bring unequal force against the other. That way, both sides are encouraged to reach an agreement rather than continue self help. With CHAOS, self help brings little pain for labor since they continue to receive a paycheck, but much pain against the company, because everyone starts booking away to avoid the CHAOS activities. This gives labor far more power than management, rather than it being equal, which violates the intent of the Act.

I have never heard that, even from ALPA attorneys and advisors that assisted with SP(s)C ops I've worked on in the past. In fact, in preliminary discussions, a CHAOS-type strike was one of the strategies we were packaging for our MEC.

Just curious.

If you're still doing ALPA work, I can give you some names of attorneys to talk to. Send me a PM. You have to talk to the guys in Legal, because the Contract Administrators from the Representation Department aren't the experts in this kind of stuff. In-depth legal interpretations of the RLA fall under the Legal Departmnet.