Changes in 135 Duty Times

[Way2Broke]

I heard that the FAA has proposed changing the 135 duty times. Can anyone confirm this, and if so what are they planning on changing it too. When do you think these changes might get made?

 

[fu69atacafyeah]

I heard that the FAA has proposed changing the 135 duty times. Can anyone confirm this, and if so what are they planning on changing it too. When do you think these changes might get made?

ive heard that also...i understand we wont be on call 24hr a day!!! i also heard they will be giving credit for partial rest. who the hell knows if/when that will happen..........

 

[pilotyip]

NPRM is suppose to out this fall for comment. One of the options being reported is to allow companies to draft their own specific crew rest policies. If the new 135 are too restrictive, we will just go to 121 supplemental crew rest, the most brutal of all with it’s unlimited duty breaks.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

If the NPRM goes out this fall, what is the normal timeframe for it to be finally adopted as regulation?

Thanx!

cliff
YIP

 

[pilotyip]

Normally 1-2 years depending upon the comment period.

 

[landlover]

pilotyip, i'm only guessing here but your avatar. was that at KYIP? i heard WWII bombers were built there. I'm sure you now the history. PM me if you like so to avoid a hijack

 

[pilotyip]

A B-24 every hour

Yep! KYIP is where Ford Motor Company built 8700 B-24's on an automotive style assembly line. The picture is the ramp from the old tower in the summer of 1944 with a part of a day's production, at that time they were building a B-24 every hour. My dad was working there at the time.

 

[Way2Broke]

Nprm?

 

[honeycomb]

Nprm?

NPRM = Notice Proposed Rule Making...or something like that...not that it is really going to matter.

Mgmt and the FAA will continue to allow duty/flight/rest time rules be pushed or re-defined until they start having more accidents.

Or until the NTSB actually starts labeling these accidents as Human Performance Rest/Duty time issues.

Don't hold your breath.....

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

NPRM=Notice of Proposed Rule Making

cliff
YIP

 

[charter dog]

Way2Broke:

Here is a link to just one of several threads found when I used the FI Search function with the keywords "duty time". Enjoy!

There are outcomes possible following release of the NPRM and comment period. Don't expect too much relief from any new rule adopted. From what I have read and heard, industry has actively negotiated for as much as they can get. For now, all we can really do is wait to see what the rule looks like and then flood the FAA with our comments at that time.

Stay tuned...

Best,

 

[Way2Broke]

Way2Broke:

Here is a link to just one of several threads found when I used the FI Search function with the keywords "duty time". Enjoy!

You mean someone has talked about duty time here before? Amazing! :laugh:

 

[landlover]

Yep! KYIP is where Ford Motor Company built 8700 B-24's on an automotive style assembly line. The picture is the ramp from the old tower in the summer of 1944 with a part of a day's production, at that time they were building a B-24 every hour. My dad was working there at the time.

one more quick question, who occupies that ramp now?

 

[pilotyip]

Ramp at YIP, it is shared by Murray, Const Helo's, used to be Express Net (i.e Trancon 3), now out of busienss, ERIUM, Ameristar, and some private owners and corp flight dept's

 

[charter dog]

You mean someone has talked about duty time here before? Amazing! :laugh:

Okay W2B, ya got me!

The proposed new 135 flight and duty time limitations and rest requirements rules have been the subject of much interest to many interested parties. I look forward to the discussion which will ensue when the NPRM is published and everyone has the opportunity to examine the language for legal loopholes and comment on the possibilities. Oughta be fun!

Best,

 

[CaptainSpaz]

http://www.aams.org/flightduty.pdf

 

[charter dog]

Thanks for posting that link CaptainSpaz. I presume this is the work product of the Aviation Rulemaking Committee which was submitted upon their ajournment and has been sitting on a shelf at FAA ever since.

Meanwhile, industry is not taking this laying down. See this thread to read the NATA letter to the FAA where they request that the language of the final rule contain an "escape clause" whereby crewmembers may be placed in an "AVAILABLE" (on-call with a "duty to report") status and simultaniously count that time as REST as long as the operator informs the crew of this fact. This effectively allows the endless period of on-call status such as we presently enjoy today!

I hope that no such language is included in the NPRM or the final rule. I could live with the rule in the form I found on the provided link. Let's just hope that industry lobbying is unsuccessful in nullifying the intent of the ARC's efforts in creating this draft proposal. The intent is to mitigate the instance of fatigue induced accidents and thereby promote safer operations.

Best,