Champion Air?

mamba20

Do what now?
Joined
Nov 27, 2004
Posts
1,030
Total Time
000000
Looking for some info on the company and the interview process. Thanks!
 

Lear70

JAFFO
Joined
Oct 17, 2003
Posts
7,487
Total Time
4abeer
Champion's not a major.

Probably wrong forum and a moderator getting overzealous and deleting it instead of moving it to the regionals forum which is probably closer to what their airline is classified in.
 

MED

Royer!
Joined
Jul 13, 2004
Posts
284
Total Time
8999
Champion's not regional, try 135 charter.

Their interviewing for FE position and I asked them how long the upgrade is, and they told me that they have no idea. $32/hr flying sideways, I said "no thanks".
 
Last edited:

Heavy Set

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 28, 2002
Posts
2,277
Total Time
15,000
How will NWA's bankruptcy impact Champion?

MED said:
Champion's not regional, try 135 charter.

Their interviewing for FE position and I asked them how long the upgrade is, and they told me that they have no idea. $32/hr flying sideways, I said "no thanks".
I have found Champion-related threads in the Cargo section of these boards believe it or not. I don't think there is a lot of upward mobility - you might sit on the panel for years.

Given that they are owned by NWA, who knows how that will impact Champion with the bankruptcy.... Not the best job security at this point I would say. But the 727 is a great aircraft to fly and getting some experience (as long as you could get off the panel relatively soon) might be worthwhile.
 

Lear70

JAFFO
Joined
Oct 17, 2003
Posts
7,487
Total Time
4abeer
Heavy Set said:
Not the best job security at this point I would say. But the 727 is a great aircraft to fly and getting some experience (as long as you could get off the panel relatively soon) might be worthwhile.
Oh yeah, and that 727 experience has REALLY helped both you AND me get better jobs... The only reason I got the job I have now is because I had EFIS/FMS Lear experience, not anything to do with my 727 time.

It's a dying aircraft. If you want to move up in the world, find a job you can get to the left seat of a turbine aircraft quickly - I don't think Champion's it.
 

NuGuy

Ex-Commuter
Joined
May 30, 2003
Posts
2,375
Total Time
10000
Heavy Set said:
Given that they are owned by NWA, who knows how that will impact Champion with the bankruptcy....
Not true. NWA sold their interest in CA a few years ago. That said, there are some NWA management types that sit on the CA BOD.

Nu
 

mamba20

Do what now?
Joined
Nov 27, 2004
Posts
1,030
Total Time
000000
Well, my minds made up. Upon further research I did find that I would have to sit sideways for awhile. . . no thanks, why leave a right seat glass position. I have more going for me here. For the time being anyways. Thanks for the input.
 

Thedude

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 15, 2001
Posts
1,277
Total Time
8000+
MED said:
Champion's not regional, try 135 charter.

Their interviewing for FE position and I asked them how long the upgrade is, and they told me that they have no idea. $32/hr flying sideways, I said "no thanks".

Eh...wrong . Try 121 Supplemental

NuGuy said:
Not true. NWA sold their interest in CA a few years ago. That said, there are some NWA management types that sit on the CA BOD.
Not exaclty true. It was an owner financed sell. The story goes...Five member of upper managment supposedly purchased the company but in the last two years..3 of those management members have been fired. Which brings the question of how do you fire an owner. This was just a shift on paper to get around something in the NWA contract and I think it was a scope issue. Meanwhile NWA still calls the shots on what Champion will do and what markets they will try to enter.

As far as what life is like there...do a SERACH and read some of my old post.

As far as the interview process goes..I think they are just doing a "get to know you" type of interview and maybe some selected technical questions. If the interview is running like it did for the last new hire class, there will NO sim and a small sales pitch to get you to come to work there.

DFW is closing as a base come the end of the year and several guys are looking for other jobs as a result.
 

NuGuy

Ex-Commuter
Joined
May 30, 2003
Posts
2,375
Total Time
10000
Thedude said:
Which brings the question of how do you fire an owner.
I assume this was a question...

Not hard at all if the "owner" is not the majority stockholder. It just takes the majority stockholder OR a coalition of stockholders that is a majority to say "you're fired".

You're still a stockholder, but not an employee. Big difference.

Lots of family run businesses that sell stock, even closely held, get scammed in this way. Once your a minority stockholder, you can really get d!cked.

A common way of doing the "owner" in is to gain a majority in the stock (50%+1 will do) with a few other people. Then make a backroom deal with a bigger corporation to sell out at a significant discount in the stock price, but make it back up with an outragous "consulting agreement" that basically pays the participants $500,000/yr to play golf. The orginial owner, who may even have %50-1 gets the shaft.

If you have a family business, even closely held, it is critical to have buy/sell agreements, and to retain voting rights on any stock sold.

FYI

Nu
 

Thedude

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 15, 2001
Posts
1,277
Total Time
8000+
Actually it was more of a rhetorical question and a underhanded-backhanded comment on the NWA and Champion realtionship with each other. There is no stock involved in Champion and there are no voting shares.
Like i said before, the sell or transfer, whatever you want to call it was mearly a ruse on paper. Champion still falls under the umbrella of NWA when it comes to fuel, hull insurance, hull leases and anything expensive. Beleive me I know (knew), I worked there for almost six years, up until last month.
 

Lear70

JAFFO
Joined
Oct 17, 2003
Posts
7,487
Total Time
4abeer
NuGuy said:
I assume this was a question...

Not hard at all if the "owner" is not the majority stockholder. It just takes the majority stockholder OR a coalition of stockholders that is a majority to say "you're fired".

You're still a stockholder, but not an employee. Big difference.

Lots of family run businesses that sell stock, even closely held, get scammed in this way. Once your a minority stockholder, you can really get d!cked.

A common way of doing the "owner" in is to gain a majority in the stock (50%+1 will do) with a few other people. Then make a backroom deal with a bigger corporation to sell out at a significant discount in the stock price, but make it back up with an outragous "consulting agreement" that basically pays the participants $500,000/yr to play golf. The orginial owner, who may even have %50-1 gets the shaft.

If you have a family business, even closely held, it is critical to have buy/sell agreements, and to retain voting rights on any stock sold.

FYI

Nu
That was very well-said; haven't seen that kind of business understanding on the board in a while. Well-done.
 

AdlerDriver

Can't even hold reserve!
Joined
Feb 10, 2005
Posts
442
Total Time
6000+
Lear70 said:
Oh yeah, and that 727 experience has REALLY helped both you AND me get better jobs... The only reason I got the job I have now is because I had EFIS/FMS Lear experience, not anything to do with my 727 time.

It's a dying aircraft. If you want to move up in the world, find a job you can get to the left seat of a turbine aircraft quickly - I don't think Champion's it.
It would make new hire school at Fedex easier. :)
 
J

jackbo

mamba20 said:
Looking for some info on the company and the interview process. Thanks!
if you want to work there, go get yourself a DWI. pretty much the only way to get an interview and assure you will have something in common with most of the pilot group.
 

CCP1338

New member
Joined
Apr 6, 2004
Posts
2
Total Time
14000+
Thedude said:
Eh...wrong . Try 121 Supplemental



Not exaclty true. It was an owner financed sell. The story goes...Five member of upper managment supposedly purchased the company but in the last two years..3 of those management members have been fired. Which brings the question of how do you fire an owner. This was just a shift on paper to get around something in the NWA contract and I think it was a scope issue. Meanwhile NWA still calls the shots on what Champion will do and what markets they will try to enter.

As far as what life is like there...do a SERACH and read some of my old post.

As far as the interview process goes..I think they are just doing a "get to know you" type of interview and maybe some selected technical questions. If the interview is running like it did for the last new hire class, there will NO sim and a small sales pitch to get you to come to work there.

DFW is closing as a base come the end of the year and several guys are looking for other jobs as a result.
Champion isnt legally affected by the NWA bankruptcy, because of the above move.

By the way, dont believe all "piglet" says! aka TheDude.
 

CCP1338

New member
Joined
Apr 6, 2004
Posts
2
Total Time
14000+
jackbo said:
if you want to work there, go get yourself a DWI. pretty much the only way to get an interview and assure you will have something in common with most of the pilot group.
Oh really now? And how would you know?
 
Top