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Many things go into such a choice. The personality of the wardroom, the CO, but even if these things aren't optimum, it is only temporary as people cycle through. The mission mix/profile for some of these units do stay somewhat consistent over time. For instance a big unit like Clearwater is going to be a lot different from one of the more sleepy three helo units. SOme units deploy more than others. I have only been to Clearwater and that is big and busy - but very exciting and some great flying - mostly VFR over warm water. If you want to get more weather flying the NW is for you. See what you can learn about the unit mission personality but wherever you and your family prefer geographically normally is the deciding factor!
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Matt,
Please email me or PM me and I will give you as much gouge as I can on each. But in the mean time, has the detailer told you which airframe he is leaning toward sending you yet? that will determine a lot. But from the list you have they are all great spots.
By the way, the H-65 is way better. No matter what a pig iron pilot tells you.
Please email me or PM me and I will give you as much gouge as I can on each. But in the mean time, has the detailer told you which airframe he is leaning toward sending you yet? that will determine a lot. But from the list you have they are all great spots.
By the way, the H-65 is way better. No matter what a pig iron pilot tells you.
There are more h-65 stations simply because there are more h-65s. And there are more H-65s because they are cheaper and are more versatile. They can be deployed on more ships in more regions than the H-60 can. But the H-60 has a lot longer legs so the stations don't have to be as close to cover the same area.
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Cheaper certainly, but more versatile, I don't think so. The only reason they do more things is because the CG doesn't have any ships big enough to land the H60 on. The H-65 is underpowered and can't hoist more than 1 or 2 people and still make it back to land.
The H-60 has bucu power and call haul about 8-10 folks with ease. Plus, it doesn't deploy on the backs of ships, so you don't have to worry about PopDiv or ship helo.
I would go for the H-60 at all costs. After that, go for geography preference. Remember of course why they call it a dream sheet. The detailer is going to put you where they need you anyway.
Good luck and congrats again Mudkow.
H-65 drivers: Please don't hate me! I only call them the way I see them.
FJ
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Cheaper certainly, but more versatile, I don't think so. The only reason they do more things is because the CG doesn't have any ships big enough to land the H60 on. The H-65 is underpowered and can't hoist more than 1 or 2 people and still make it back to land.
The H-60 has bucu power and call haul about 8-10 folks with ease. Plus, it doesn't deploy on the backs of ships, so you don't have to worry about PopDiv or ship helo.
I would go for the H-60 at all costs. After that, go for geography preference. Remember of course why they call it a dream sheet. The detailer is going to put you where they need you anyway.
Good luck and congrats again Mudkow.
H-65 drivers: Please don't hate me! I only call them the way I see them.
FJ
"H-65 drivers: Please don't hate me! I only call them the way I see them"
Now why would I hate someone just because they are wrong?
Why would I say more versatile? Because they conduct more missions in more locations and they can be placed on more vessels than an H-60, thus more versatile. You are familiar with the term?
"The H-65 is underpowered and can't hoist more than 1 or 2 people and still make it back to land."
Unlike the mighty HU-25 which can hoist how many people? I forget.
It is so sad that someone who was actually a pilot in the CG has this thought. The H-65A and the HH-65B are underpowered to a point but the HH-65C certainly isn't. It has a greater power to weight ratio than the H-60.
I have flown over 100 miles off shore, rescued four people, and returned to land in an "A" model. In a "B" model I had 10 survivors in the back during Katrina. Granted half were children it was still 10 survivors. And in the H-65C I have done things that H-60 pilots only dream of doing. So your recollection of H-65 power is a bit scewed.
"Plus, it doesn't deploy on the backs of ships, so you don't have to worry about PopDiv or ship helo."
Spoken like a true Falcon pilot. Some of us actually like to deploy on ships and do Coast Guard work. Besides there is no POPDIV anymore.
"I would go for the H-60 at all costs."
So why didn't you? I don't think there is anything wrong with any of the airframes and a new CG pilot would most likely be happy with either of them. The only problem with the H-60 is the lack of duty stations. Five vs seventeen. And if you stay to the point of becoming an OPS boss, your chance of being OPS at an H-60 unit are slim.
Don't hate me, I'm only calling it like I see it.
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Now why would I hate someone just because they are wrong?
Why would I say more versatile? Because they conduct more missions in more locations and they can be placed on more vessels than an H-60, thus more versatile. You are familiar with the term?
"The H-65 is underpowered and can't hoist more than 1 or 2 people and still make it back to land."
Unlike the mighty HU-25 which can hoist how many people? I forget.
It is so sad that someone who was actually a pilot in the CG has this thought. The H-65A and the HH-65B are underpowered to a point but the HH-65C certainly isn't. It has a greater power to weight ratio than the H-60.
I have flown over 100 miles off shore, rescued four people, and returned to land in an "A" model. In a "B" model I had 10 survivors in the back during Katrina. Granted half were children it was still 10 survivors. And in the H-65C I have done things that H-60 pilots only dream of doing. So your recollection of H-65 power is a bit scewed.
"Plus, it doesn't deploy on the backs of ships, so you don't have to worry about PopDiv or ship helo."
Spoken like a true Falcon pilot. Some of us actually like to deploy on ships and do Coast Guard work. Besides there is no POPDIV anymore.
"I would go for the H-60 at all costs."
So why didn't you? I don't think there is anything wrong with any of the airframes and a new CG pilot would most likely be happy with either of them. The only problem with the H-60 is the lack of duty stations. Five vs seventeen. And if you stay to the point of becoming an OPS boss, your chance of being OPS at an H-60 unit are slim.
Don't hate me, I'm only calling it like I see it.
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See Kow, this is what you have to look forward to now, that lively banter between the real pilots in the CG (Falcon drivers), and the other guys they let hang around in the wardroom, the helo drivers. I know that you are a diehard helo driver, and thus will be able to dish it out real good like Sardaddy.
Now Sardaddy, how many times did you have to stop and refuel on your way out 100 miles? How many fixed-wing guys were flying up above you waiting for you so they could show you where the 4 people were and relay the comms for you? How many rigs did you have to land on on the way back to get more gas?
Ok, ok, these aren't fair questions, you didn't build or buy the H65. A former boss of mine informed me by pm that you guys would be coming back with the mighty C model and upgraded power argument, and here you are. Can't believe though that it took the CG 20+ years to figure out that they needed more power for those plastic puppies. Who knows, with a little more power maybe you guys can fill that thing up with survivors more often.
No PopDiv, man I am out of touch, thankfully.
In all seriousness, I have the utmost respect for the helo AND fixed wing aviators in the CG, especially the enlisted crew who put it out there on the line with the pilots everyday and night. Truely an honorable and heroic bunch.
Ok, back to the barbs!
FJ
Now Sardaddy, how many times did you have to stop and refuel on your way out 100 miles? How many fixed-wing guys were flying up above you waiting for you so they could show you where the 4 people were and relay the comms for you? How many rigs did you have to land on on the way back to get more gas?
Ok, ok, these aren't fair questions, you didn't build or buy the H65. A former boss of mine informed me by pm that you guys would be coming back with the mighty C model and upgraded power argument, and here you are. Can't believe though that it took the CG 20+ years to figure out that they needed more power for those plastic puppies. Who knows, with a little more power maybe you guys can fill that thing up with survivors more often.
No PopDiv, man I am out of touch, thankfully.
In all seriousness, I have the utmost respect for the helo AND fixed wing aviators in the CG, especially the enlisted crew who put it out there on the line with the pilots everyday and night. Truely an honorable and heroic bunch.
Ok, back to the barbs!
FJ
I do hope those reading this do realize as falconjet said, this is just banter, I hold no ill will for our corporate jet brethren.
Just for the record falconjet, I did it on one bag of gas, no refuel, no rigs off of Puerto Rico, and the HU-25 "overhead cover" as typically happens, arrived as I was departing scene.
For those of you who are making your requests to the detailer realize there isn't a bad air station in the Coast Guard. Think about which airframe you would like to fly, realizing that due to current requirements you will probably be told you like H-65s by the detailer.
But after that think about where you think would be a great place to go and ask for it. The worse he can do is say no. By the way the current detailer is a falcon pilot so don't be too hard on him.
Just for the record falconjet, I did it on one bag of gas, no refuel, no rigs off of Puerto Rico, and the HU-25 "overhead cover" as typically happens, arrived as I was departing scene.
For those of you who are making your requests to the detailer realize there isn't a bad air station in the Coast Guard. Think about which airframe you would like to fly, realizing that due to current requirements you will probably be told you like H-65s by the detailer.
But after that think about where you think would be a great place to go and ask for it. The worse he can do is say no. By the way the current detailer is a falcon pilot so don't be too hard on him.
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An important factor...
CG Air Stations tend to be in high cost of living areas. Therefore the cost of housing is a major factor that you should be considering if you have a family and your wife doesn't have a lucrative job.
Personally I always tried to go for the sticks & stay away from San Fran, et.al. Another alternative is to go someplace with base housing, such as my all time favorite, and the best AirSta in the Guard, which is Kodiak...but I gather this isn't one of the options the detailer's given you (it's nothing personal, they just don't usually send first-tour DCAs up there, but you might broach the subject to the detailer...you being ex-Navy cuts more ice with them than DCAs from other services).
Now that I've brought this up, the guys with more current information than I have can address it.
You guys with the current info, let's hear the latest concerning housing assistance, CG leased housing, etc.
CG Air Stations tend to be in high cost of living areas. Therefore the cost of housing is a major factor that you should be considering if you have a family and your wife doesn't have a lucrative job.
Personally I always tried to go for the sticks & stay away from San Fran, et.al. Another alternative is to go someplace with base housing, such as my all time favorite, and the best AirSta in the Guard, which is Kodiak...but I gather this isn't one of the options the detailer's given you (it's nothing personal, they just don't usually send first-tour DCAs up there, but you might broach the subject to the detailer...you being ex-Navy cuts more ice with them than DCAs from other services).
Now that I've brought this up, the guys with more current information than I have can address it.
You guys with the current info, let's hear the latest concerning housing assistance, CG leased housing, etc.
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"you being ex-Navy cuts more ice with them than DCAs from other services."
No it doesn't. A DCA is a DCA.
Kodiak, is offered to new DCA's if available, for H-60s but not H-65s. H-65 pilots in Kodiak must be aicraft commanders before PCSing there. Not required for H-60s.
The only thing that whines more than an H-65 rotor system is a CG C130 pilot.
No it doesn't. A DCA is a DCA.
Kodiak, is offered to new DCA's if available, for H-60s but not H-65s. H-65 pilots in Kodiak must be aicraft commanders before PCSing there. Not required for H-60s.
The only thing that whines more than an H-65 rotor system is a CG C130 pilot.
They don't deploy on ships if that is what you mean. They do however, "deploy" to different locations like the bahamas and some locations in Alaska for a couple of weeks at a time.
I thought when I read your post earlier that you had asked if it was hard to pick your aircraft since there were so many H-65s relatively speaking. It was a good question.
The answer is that it is really easy to get the aircraft you want. If you want H-65s. But just numbers wise, it is more difficult to get what you want if you want another airframe. DCAs don't get much choice, H-65s or H-60s with the majority being asked to fly H-65s.
Those going through flight school get a bit more of an opportunity to ask for falcons and C-130s as well but even then the pickin's are slim.
They don't call the H-65 the workhorse of the fleet for nothing.
I thought when I read your post earlier that you had asked if it was hard to pick your aircraft since there were so many H-65s relatively speaking. It was a good question.
The answer is that it is really easy to get the aircraft you want. If you want H-65s. But just numbers wise, it is more difficult to get what you want if you want another airframe. DCAs don't get much choice, H-65s or H-60s with the majority being asked to fly H-65s.
Those going through flight school get a bit more of an opportunity to ask for falcons and C-130s as well but even then the pickin's are slim.
They don't call the H-65 the workhorse of the fleet for nothing.
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Duty and QOL of life-wise, how do people like life at L.A. (the California LA, not the state)? I am thinking of adding them to my Christmas-list.
Thanks.
And to add fuel to the fire-
Once on a night search in P-cola, I had a Falcon jet crew help vector my aircraft around with their night vision devices. They were really great folks... very friendly and professional. Problem was, they directed me to a large, standing bird, and we cound never find the supposed missing redneck.
Thanks.
And to add fuel to the fire-
Once on a night search in P-cola, I had a Falcon jet crew help vector my aircraft around with their night vision devices. They were really great folks... very friendly and professional. Problem was, they directed me to a large, standing bird, and we cound never find the supposed missing redneck.
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Falconjet, there is only one think worse than a falcon pilot and that is a C-130 pilot. I don't pay them much attention as they whine for a while then peter out.
I would shoot myself, and my dog before I flew C-130s.
"you're in the CG you get your fixed wing transition and fly hercs like everyone really wants to... "
hercster you misunderstood what people were saying. They didn't say they wanted to fly hercs, they said you go through the transition and become flying jerks. :smash: :laugh: I'm sorry you misunderstood.
I would shoot myself, and my dog before I flew C-130s.
"you're in the CG you get your fixed wing transition and fly hercs like everyone really wants to... "
hercster you misunderstood what people were saying. They didn't say they wanted to fly hercs, they said you go through the transition and become flying jerks. :smash: :laugh: I'm sorry you misunderstood.
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I have not heard yet... have been told to hold tight while the assignment officer "works his magic".
My top choices (as sent to the detailor):
San Diego
San Fransisco
Port Angles
Humbolt Bay
Clearwater
San Diego is full... anyone have gouge on any of the other spots? I really feel it is a win-win situation. Wherever I end up and whatever I get the chance to fly, I am going to be excited.
Anyone else get word yet?
Thanks,
Kow
My top choices (as sent to the detailor):
San Diego
San Fransisco
Port Angles
Humbolt Bay
Clearwater
San Diego is full... anyone have gouge on any of the other spots? I really feel it is a win-win situation. Wherever I end up and whatever I get the chance to fly, I am going to be excited.
Anyone else get word yet?
Thanks,
Kow
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Astoria is nice...it's a lot like Alaska, without the COLA, BAH, hunting, fishing, low crime....
No matter what you choose to fly, you'll have the best crews in the world right behind you all the way. Best of luck in your new career!
The Plastic Fantastic folks are correct, the Charlie model is going to give Igor a run for his money (although being deployed aboard ship is a lot like being in prison, with a chance of drowning). Go to Traverse City if you have the chance.
Falcon, no word yet from the folks at SWA, and last time I checked, the phones and the mail are still working.
Have a great CG day!
No matter what you choose to fly, you'll have the best crews in the world right behind you all the way. Best of luck in your new career!
The Plastic Fantastic folks are correct, the Charlie model is going to give Igor a run for his money (although being deployed aboard ship is a lot like being in prison, with a chance of drowning). Go to Traverse City if you have the chance.
Falcon, no word yet from the folks at SWA, and last time I checked, the phones and the mail are still working.
Have a great CG day!
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