CFI oral

[HOURBUILDER]

Hello,

I am getting ready on my own through my home study for the cFI checkride.
I wanted to ask any people who took this checkride what i should expect on the oral part.
Everybody tells me that i need to have a lesson plan for each PTS items is that true?
I would really appreciate some help in order to have no surprise once i enter the room with my examiner for my cfi.
Also if you know what publication would prepare me the best please let me know.

Regards

 

[flyer172r]

No matter what there will probably be some surprises. Yes you do need to have a lesson plan for every PTS item, the examiner can ask you to present any of them and you need to be ready. You can expect a discussion about the fundamentals of instruction (I had to go over all the principles of learning) and instructor professionalism. Just remember if you don't know an answer, look it up. Don't BS the examiner. In terms of publications, for the material you have to know the official sources would be the Aviation Instructor's Handbook, the Airplane Flying Handbook, and the Pilot's Handbook of Aeronautical Knowledge. There's a few others that I believe are listed in the PTS. I'm sure there are some publications about how to pass the oral, but I don't know of any.

 

[rumpletumbler]

When you schedule the checkride ask the examiner which lesson plan he would like you to prepare. He will tell you and then you will only need one.

 

[bobbysamd]

For one thing, your instructor is doing you a disservice by not working with you on the CFI oral. I know from personal experience. You are paying him/her to train you; make him/her earn his/her money.

As an aspiring CFI, you should know that everything you must know will be in the PTS. Look at it. Look at the section on references. It will tell you upon which FAA materials the test is based. Obtain these publications. Even though you might think Kershner or Ron Machado is better, the FAA books are its last word on what to know, how to do it and what should be taught. Again, I know from personal experience.

Know and live the FOI. It's how flight instructors do their job. Finally, use the FOI's form for lesson plans. As long as you meet standards and do things the FAA way, even if you don't agree with it, your instructor doesn't agree with it, or your examiner doesn't agree with it, you must be passed.

Good luck with your practical.

 

[Maria]

See Jedi's site at http://pages.prodigy.net/jedinein/cfi.html

I use it for my CFI initial students.

 

[atldc9]

On my initial CFI oral, at the BWI FSDO, the oral was 6.5 hours long. The examiner, LK, checked all my endorsements, my application, my logbook, and several lesson plans. He then got out the Private Pilot PTS. He started on item 1, and said 'teach me this.' Next, item 2, 'teach me this'. Item 3 'teach me this'...

You get the idea. During the oral, the FSDO maintenance inspectors were ramping the airplane, and going over the aircraft logbooks with a fine tooth comb. As a matter of fact, they found an AD that wasn't properly signed off. The flight school sent an instructor over in a 152, who picked up the logbook, flew over to the mx station at Forrest Park, had it signed off correctly, and flew back to BWI. All while I was still taking the oral.

I don't think the Inspector spoke except to say, "OK, next item, teach me this'.

After all that, the flight portion took 0.8 on the hobbs meter out of a busy Class B airport.

 

[pilotman2105]

On my initial CFI oral, at the BWI FSDO, the oral was 6.5 hours long. The examiner, LK, checked all my endorsements, my application, my logbook, and several lesson plans. He then got out the Private Pilot PTS. He started on item 1, and said 'teach me this.' Next, item 2, 'teach me this'. Item 3 'teach me this'...

You get the idea. During the oral, the FSDO maintenance inspectors were ramping the airplane, and going over the aircraft logbooks with a fine tooth comb. As a matter of fact, they found an AD that wasn't properly signed off. The flight school sent an instructor over in a 152, who picked up the logbook, flew over to the mx station at Forrest Park, had it signed off correctly, and flew back to BWI. All while I was still taking the oral.

I don't think the Inspector spoke except to say, "OK, next item, teach me this'.

After all that, the flight portion took 0.8 on the hobbs meter out of a busy Class B airport.

Our tax dollars at work.

 

[rumpletumbler]

Yeah....sounds extreme on the wrong end. My CFI ride took 12 hours. Almost 2 flight and 9 oral with an hour for lunch. The examiner does it that way with every pilot no matter the rating. Other than feeling like I'd been hit in the head with a hammer when I got home it was a great experience.

 

[HOURBUILDER]

Thanks for this precious information.
I see now more clearly on what i need to do to get that CFI rating.
I sthe fundamental of instructing a big part of the oral, do you need to go into psychological details?

 

[bobbysamd]

Foi

I sthe fundamental of instructing a big part of the oral, do you need to go into psychological details?

Not only is the FOI a big part of the oral, it is how you do your job. Don't learn it only to pass the oral. Know it and live it. You will be held responsible for everything in the book, so don't be surprised about anythng you're asked. Know the laws of learning. Know how people learn. Know what comprises a valid test. Know it all.

Good luck with your oral.