CFI Military Competency

[Hobit]

Now former IPs' that haven’t flown an airplane in 30 years can get a current CFI. So much for standardization and qualification. But you can compensate with ego.....

A great deal??? For who? Your students while you figure out what is required for them to take an exam?

The problem is the lowest common dominator will drive the errors. What "Standard" do you have to correct that? With the current CFI system at least some one looks at each applicant. Now a CFI is just a gift.

I think you do yourself a disservice by painting with a broad brush.

I respectfully disagree with your point that this is in anyway a 'gift'. My training was extremely thorough in the military. There was absolutely no 'Gift' involved in becoming an IP on my civilian fixed or military RW route. Both were a$$ pains. And if I wanted to instruct anywhere I most likely would have to take a checkride/check-out with who ever owns the aircraft. This is not a 'gift' in any way.

With regard to currency, what about the airline pilot that renews his CFI on the internet every two years then gets furloughed and returns to flight instruction. Wouldn't you expect that pilot to get refresher training in light GA aircraft prior to getting back in to it? Using your logic at what point should a pilot have to surrender their certificates? What's wrong with giving some one the benefit of the doubt that they will do the right thing? I have an MEI and the required time in a duchess from 15 years ago. I am legal to instruct in it right? Would I do it tomorrow with out refreshing my skills,knowledge, and proficiency in that type? No. Why are you expecting people to do the wrong thing?

And how can you bring up standardization in civil aviation as a problem for military pilots!? Ever talked to two different FSDO's about the same issue?

I swear pilots are our own worst enemies.

 

[nosehair]

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...iv8&view=text&node=14:2.0.1.1.2.2.1.9&idno=14

61.73 (the link above) covers military competency rules for civilian ratings and you would need to read it to see what an individual would qualify for based on his particular military experience. But the short answer is no, a checkride is not required, written exam only.

...uhh, ok, ..I tried the link above and read 61.73 but it is still the same as it always has been which is about getting pilot certificates and
ratings based on military experience, but no mention of flight instructor certificates and ratings. In 61.73. Maybe you can use this opportunity to actually experience being a civilian flight instructor and help me find the regulation that you speak of. Seriously. Thank you.

 

[Razor_B]

...uhh, ok, ..I tried the link above and read 61.73 but it is still the same as it always has been which is about getting pilot certificates and ratings based on military experience, but no mention of flight instructor certificates and ratings. In 61.73. Maybe you can use this opportunity to actually experience being a civilian flight instructor and help me find the regulation that you speak of. Seriously. Thank you.

No problem tough guy. It's 61.73 (g) and copied below since you couldn't seem to find it by yourself. (Because military instructors never have to worry about following regulations.) Start with 61.73 (a) then following it down through (1) (2) (3) to (b). In (b) follow it through (1) (2) (3) (i) (ii) (iii) and then it goes to (c). See the pattern? Just keep going on down until you see (g) and you'll have the information you seek.

(g) Flight instructor certificate and ratings. A person who can show official U.S. military documentation of being a U.S. military instructor pilot or U.S. military pilot examiner, or a former instructor pilot or pilot examiner may apply for and be issued a flight instructor certificate with the appropriate ratings if that person:
(1) Holds a commercial or airline transport pilot certificate with the appropriate aircraft category and class rating, if a class rating is appropriate, for the flight instructor rating sought;
(2) Holds an instrument rating, or has instrument privileges, on the pilot certificate that is appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought; and
(3) Presents the following documents:
(i) A knowledge test report that shows the person passed a knowledge test on the aeronautical knowledge areas listed under §61.185(a) appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought and the knowledge test was passed within the preceding 24 calendar months prior to the month of application. If the U.S. military instructor pilot or pilot examiner already holds a flight instructor certificate, holding of a flight instructor certificate suffices for the knowledge test report.
(ii) An official U.S. Armed Forces record or order that shows the person is or was qualified as a U.S. Armed Forces military instructor pilot or pilot examiner for the flight instructor rating sought.
(iii) An official U.S. Armed Forces record or order that shows the person completed a U.S. Armed Forces' instructor pilot or pilot examiner training course and received an aircraft rating qualification as a military instructor pilot or pilot examiner that is appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought.
(iv) An official U.S. Armed Forces record or order that shows the person passed a U.S. Armed Forces instructor pilot or pilot examiner proficiency check in an aircraft as a military instructor pilot or pilot examiner that is appropriate to the flight instructor rating sought.

 

[nosehair]

Hey Thanks, RazorBack! I appreciate your copy. Here's the copy I get at the link provided:
"
(g) Aircraft type rating placed on an airline transport pilot
certificate. A rated military pilot or former rated military pilot who
holds an airline transport pilot certificate and who requests an
aircraft type rating to be placed on that person's airline transport
pilot certificate may be issued that aircraft type rating at the airline
transport pilot certificate level, provided that person:
(1) Holds a category and class rating for that type of aircraft at ..."

Seriously, there is no mention of flight instructors in the text copy at that
link.

I appreciate your effort, but am curious as to why I'm pulling up an old copy. ??

 

[JAFI]

Nosehair, It depends on how often a site downloads a new regulation. If you go to faa.gov and under regulations it will link you to:

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14tab_02.tpl

 

[nosehair]

Thanks, JAFI, that works.

 

[Huggyu2]

Wow Razor! I'm impressed you could actually read and understand the regulations... despite not having flown eights-on-pylons, and explaining the "pivotal altitude"!
That said, I think you must the exception to the rule....

 

[Razor_B]

Amazing isn't it...

 

[Huggyu2]

Just flew my first .9 CFI instructional hour... with my daughter.
Of course, the log book write up is a mess, and I don't worry about all that "keeping track of who you instruct for 3 years" thing. After all, my daughter won't sue me, right???
And isn't this carb heat thing supposed to warm up the cockpit inflight?? Sure made the engine run rough.

 

[T-1GUY]

Just passed my written test.. Can't wait to fire up the C-172 for some formation, air refueling, low-level, and air drop training with my first student.

I found they use these things called a "Hand Mike" to talk on. I guess I can take my helmet off now...